Toyota 86 Racing Series 2016 (NOT ProAm!) - Page 2

Amaroo Park · 1 Mar 2015, 02:41 (Ref:3510204)

Be like anything they do in Motorsport half hearted support then leave within a few years.

**GTRMagic** · 1 Mar 2015, 03:43 (Ref:3510216)

Amaroo Park · 1 Mar 2015, 11:36 (Ref:3510357)

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Originally Posted by racer69

Perhaps a few Dealers might be encouraged to enter some cars?

The only ones that would will be the dealerships Toyota Australia owns

**GTRMagic** · 9 Mar 2015, 07:29 (Ref:3513161)

Register Your Interest Here

Casper · 9 Mar 2015, 07:59 (Ref:3513164)

Real racing costs real money. $100,000 isn't much, you could spend that a Super Kart if you were serious about winning.

DAVID PATERSON · 11 Mar 2015, 03:22 (Ref:3513914)

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Originally Posted by Casper

Real racing costs real money. $100,000 isn't much, you could spend that a Super Kart if you were serious about winning.

A full year of State level racing costs less than a quarter of that. OK, so it doesn't have the exposure or profile this series offers, but they have to stop referring to this as grass roots.

There's nothing Grass Roots about a manufacturer supported, high profile, televised National series for brand new cars.

Casper · 11 Mar 2015, 05:40 (Ref:3513942)

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

A full year of State level racing costs less than a quarter of that. OK, so it doesn't have the exposure or profile this series offers, but they have to stop referring to this as grass roots.

There's nothing Grass Roots about a manufacturer supported, high profile, televised National series for brand new cars.

In a billy cart? An interstate series if anyone is serious costs big money.

DAVID PATERSON · 11 Mar 2015, 07:36 (Ref:3513962)

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Originally Posted by Casper

In a billy cart? An interstate series if anyone is serious costs big money.

Any interstate series is expensive, much more expensive than State level racing, that's why I offered it as an example.

I think I'm speaking quite clearly here, so I'm not sure why you're having so much trouble understanding what I'm trying to say.

MattV · 11 Mar 2015, 09:30 (Ref:3514004)

Perhaps more than slightly OT, but whatever became of Andrej Pavicevic?

He was my favourite Suzuki Swift one make series driver way back in the mid 1990's.

Umai Naa · 11 Mar 2015, 12:28 (Ref:3514093)

Pretty certain he works at Croydon Autosport/Croydon Racing Developments in Sydney.

Last I heard, they still had the Swift too.

Razor · 11 Mar 2015, 14:13 (Ref:3514125)

Well, put the name down. Have to do something to verify the CAMS licence.

aussiemuscle308 · 29 Mar 2015, 22:59 (Ref:3521648)

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Originally Posted by fomoco

Maybe the demographics have changed ...

maybe SUV races?

275 GTB-4 · 31 Mar 2015, 06:23 (Ref:3522092)

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

Any interstate series is expensive, much more expensive than State level racing, that's why I offered it as an example.

I think I'm speaking quite clearly here, so I'm not sure why you're having so much trouble understanding what I'm trying to say.

But Dave, if you choose to live in a state with lots of sunshine but a cost penalty to compete...who's fault is that?

**GTRMagic** · 29 Jan 2016, 02:10 (Ref:3608943)

Competition Pricing Announced

Alan52 · 29 Jan 2016, 04:51 (Ref:3608959)

There is a long history of one make series in Australia going back at least 35 years.The only one that produced memorable racing was the 1995 Swift series.Most of the rest have just been cash cows,or attempted cash cows,for the organisers.As the years have gone on the competitor take up has been on a fairly steep downward trajectory.Wasn't one of the conclusions of the CAMS review that there were too many categories?
If there are more than 12 paying competitors on the grid by the final round I will be very surprised.

Mixer · 29 Jan 2016, 05:24 (Ref:3608964)

This at least is factory backed from a few points of view, Bates has clear cred, and the cost looks quite reasonable.

The cars are also sporty, so should be more entertaining than Swifts or Daewoos...

rich07 · 30 Jan 2016, 04:53 (Ref:3609186)

Why doesn't Mazda get behind the Mx-5 Cup in this country? It's been quite popular in the States for some time now with plenty of entrants and close racing.

Alan52 · 30 Jan 2016, 09:06 (Ref:3609209)

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Originally Posted by Alan52

There is a long history of one make series in Australia going back at least 35 years.The only one that produced memorable racing was the 1995 Swift series.Most of the rest have just been cash cows,or attempted cash cows,for the organisers.As the years have gone on the competitor take up has been on a fairly steep downward trajectory.Wasn't one of the conclusions of the CAMS review that there were too many categories?
If there are more than 12 paying competitors on the grid by the final round I will be very surprised.

Meant to say the various Porsche series should be excluded from my criticism of one make racing.Neil's Toyotas have forced Aussie Race Cars off the bill at Eastern Creek V8's and Bathurst.Spectators are not the winners here.

Mixer · 30 Jan 2016, 09:08 (Ref:3609210)

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Originally Posted by Alan52

Meant to say the various Porsche series should be excluded from my criticism of one make racing.Neil's Toyotas have forced Aussie Race Cars off the bill at Eastern Creek V8's and Bathurst.Spectators are not the winners here.

How can you say that when you haven't seen them race?

chavez · 30 Jan 2016, 10:12 (Ref:3609220)

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Originally Posted by Alan52

Meant to say the various Porsche series should be excluded from my criticism of one make racing.Neil's Toyotas have forced Aussie Race Cars off the bill at Eastern Creek V8's and Bathurst.Spectators are not the winners here.

Why exclude the various Porsche series?

There were several seasons of very ordinary Carrera Cup. Didn't they go a while seadon without a lead change in the track?

Starion13 · 30 Jan 2016, 15:11 (Ref:3609254)

Well the cars look cool enough, might catch on if there are some quality drivers and good racing. Time will tell I guess. Single class racing is a great leveller in most cases and if someone has some talent it will generally show though eg the Swift series showed some real decent drivers. What develops from it though is another chapter.

Alan52 · 30 Jan 2016, 23:41 (Ref:3609600)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

How can you say that when you haven't seen them race?

Call it a premonition.Get back to me when Neil's Toyotas provide bigger fields and closer,better racing than Aussie Race Cars.

Tourer · 31 Jan 2016, 04:13 (Ref:3609744)

In regard to the 86 series replacing ARC at Bathurst & Eastern Creek, it MAY be that the series organiser wanted to mix up the venues a bit year to year.

Like you Alan, I am not convinced that in it's first year the 86 series will deliver to the level of ARC but then it hasn't yet had all those years of development.

On the other hand it MAY deliver to at least some extent so we wait to see.

Mixer · 31 Jan 2016, 04:16 (Ref:3609747)

I'm willing to give it a chance. I think it has more potential than most of the one-make series we've seen.

Personally the ARC fell into the same bucket as Formula Ford - wild but pretty contrived, with results often being a bit random.

Samwhk · 31 Jan 2016, 04:37 (Ref:3609762)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

How can you say that when you haven't seen them race?

I've seen them race here in NZ. They sound awful, are slow, and the racing is "rough". I rate them marginally above the Ssyangyong Utes.

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