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Old 13 Sep 2017, 19:14 (Ref:3766617)   #166
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Without this car this topic is not complete.
You, out, too!!
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 19:56 (Ref:3766626)   #167
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Is it based on the Opel GT?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_GT
It is based on an Argentine car called Berganin, totally modified.
The nickname of the car was "La Garrafa" (gas bottle) because the sponsor was Agip and the driver was Andrea Viannini.

https://www.google.com.ar/search?biw...k1.1qBYg61isPM
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 20:17 (Ref:3766628)   #168
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Correct, but they looked well put together for the most part.
As far as those DP's, they're not what I would call well put together, in terms of safety or performance. But were debating opinions which is pointless. I like the Touring cars in Argentina.

I was going to post the DW, but it's always been touchy subject!
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 20:31 (Ref:3766631)   #169
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This one looks like it needs to sit a bit taller and have some off-road tires on it and some spares in that hatch. Kinda reminds me of an old version of some of the Dakar "cars" of the last while.

I actually really like this one, it looks like someone had a weird kit GT car in a barn and then saw a picture of a Chaparral and was like "hey, we could do something like that with it!"

Do we have names for them?
These cars are part of a golden era of Argentine motorsport of the late 60's and early 70's, that were raced in the TC and in the Sport Prototipo Argentino.
The regulations were always very free the first years demanded the use of the front windshield of the road car from which they derived, some years later demanded a minimum height then appeared the egg shape of the roof of some cars and finally nothing and also arrived the spyders.
Some of the cars were Pronello-Ford, Berta LR, Torino Liebre MK I,MK II,MK III, Gentile-Chevrolet, Baufer-Chevrolet, Numa-Tornado, Chelco-Chevrolet etc.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Rmnsspyhg...onello-ford.JP
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0a/ec...0687ab5533.jpg
http://img.lagaceta.com.ar/fotos/gal...1009183114.JPG
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/04...296aa12f21.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NBH4iV8xf4...600/baufer.JPG
https://www.autodato.com/wp-content/...rd-1969-01.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JgMdC8MyqQ...pz3%5B1%5D.jpg
http://www.f1-web.com.ar/galeria/baufer-chevun-1.JPG
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/90/13...aa64d3dacc.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/e7...9899f8cf27.jpg
http://clasicosyespeciales.com.ar/wp.../PANIZZA42.jpg
http://sportprototipoargentino.blogs...1971-1972.html

These are images of an Argentine film of that time that shows the cars and the atmosphere.
https://www.facebook.com/proyectotor...4986883716339/
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 20:35 (Ref:3766632)   #170
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What was the name of that film?
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 20:45 (Ref:3766634)   #171
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What was the name of that film?
Siempre te amare (1971) and the main actor was Sandro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=445s07BVasE
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Siempre te amare (1971) and the main actor was Sandro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=445s07BVasE
Thank you. We found the HQ footage on another page and have been trying to find the source for a few days on a FB page I admin.
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 21:14 (Ref:3766642)   #173
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I was going to post the DW, but it's always been touchy subject!
As long as we don't go back to the puerile silly names for it, I think it's fine.
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 22:58 (Ref:3766664)   #174
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2012 delta wing is a AMR-one spin off.... and keeps to preserve the failable and unaesthetic heritage of the ancestor....
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Old 14 Sep 2017, 12:30 (Ref:3766793)   #175
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I guess the failed back to front Nissan must be in here, the GTR-LM or whatever it was called. I really hoped that car would work, it was so bonkers.
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Old 14 Sep 2017, 12:34 (Ref:3766794)   #176
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Not sure why people think the Deltawing is hideous.

If it was trying to be like everything else it would be.

But it never was, it was always going to look different, and therefore to people who don't like change, horrible.

It's purpose designed it, and I happen to think it looked, cool, ground-breaking and unique. It piqued my interest, and I had littler interest in sportscars before then. Same as the fwd Datsun did.

There is a consistent theme here that cars that were radical but failed must have looked awful.

If you painted most P1 and P2 cars white and asked 99% of casual motorsport fans what each car was they might get lucky, but most would not be able to differentiate a Toyota from a Porsche. Or a later Audi from a Porsche or Rebellion.

But a Nissan GTR or Deltawing would be easy, and results not withstanding, that was the point, it was marketing and an engineering exercise, that if results came, fine, but not the priority.
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Old 14 Sep 2017, 13:06 (Ref:3766805)   #177
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Yeah, I thought the D'Wing looked awesome. Less so with a roof.
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Old 14 Sep 2017, 13:08 (Ref:3766806)   #178
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We knew it was gonna look different from the start and it actually looks alright IMHO
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Old 14 Sep 2017, 13:55 (Ref:3766813)   #179
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Can't think of any bad looking GT cars per say. When it comes to ugly sportscars you have to delve into the prototype category.

The 2016 version of the Audi R18 was hideous! I was glad Audi pulled out if they were going to keep brining cars like that out.

We all know about the Daytona Prototypes. All of them except the Corvette DP were bad.

I did not like any of the open topped IMSA world sportscars in the 1990's either.

Also don't recall anybody in the IMSA forums this year saying they miss the Delta Wing.
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Old 14 Sep 2017, 17:08 (Ref:3766846)   #180
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I must say the dome on the DW was awful. But I like the Nissan, conceptually and aesthetically, but the word of the day with that thing was 'rushed'. Unfortunate really, it would've made for an interesting addition to P1.
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