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Old 4 Jan 2009, 07:41 (Ref:2364856)   #16
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Chassis 03/200 left the factory 65,went to Barnet Motor Co where GM used it as his demo car.It was sold during that year to a Colin Skeaping,Bond film stuntman,he crashed it in London same year.The car was rebuilt by the factory,this took two years! it was here they decided to upgrade the car to 400 spec [there is a factory letter of authentication].Eventually the car was bought by Don Law,he raced it with various modifications including the still installed Rear Roll Hoop. it did the rounds a bit after Don sold it early seventys,being acquired by various authors of the Marque until it came into the possesion of the present owner.The car has now had absolutly everything renewed including the chassis/suspension,etc.It is now finished in Maroon,the owner not really a fan of the original Red it left the factory with.
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Old 4 Jan 2009, 09:27 (Ref:2364870)   #17
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Richard,according to the TVR Historian,sorry but I cant remember his name,Griffiths do not have any international race history,the works could not afford it and niether could Mr Griffith himself.
This may be semantics, in which case I apologise, but "international" surely means the category of the event, not where the event is held?
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Old 4 Jan 2009, 10:35 (Ref:2364903)   #18
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I think a few people will take exception to your assertion that there is no known International racing history for Griffiths.

P. Simpson in the AMOC Silverstone International Martini Trophy on 24th July 1965. EHM Paul at Brands Hatch in the Redex Trophy race on 30th August 1965. D. Heinz and Tom Harmar in a round of the USSRC at Road America on 12th September 1965. Otto Karger and P. Simpson at Aspern in Austria on 17th October 1965. Gerry Marshall also drove the works prepared car MMT 7C at the Oulton Park Gold Cup meeting on 17th September 1966.
I didn't express that very well, did I? It wasn't my assertion but a view, I believe expressed elsewhere on this forum. I actually didn't/don't know, so my apologies.

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The HiPo 289 (271bhp) was an option on 200s and standard on 400s. 200s do not have Cortina lights. You are correct that they have a Grantura rear end but they should have individual Sparto lenses, although many have replaced these with Lucas/Land Rover lights. The Griffith had the Kamm tail 2 years before the 1800S which was not homologated until 1967 (yes I know there is an 1800S running as a Grantura in period F).
Thanks for the clarification on the lights. Not sure how I got the rear end of the Lola Mk6 into my head whilst typing that My info on the bodies was taken from Tipler's book, obviously a little too literally!

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A few others:

Malcolm Johnson's (light blue/white stripes) car which ran in the 2008 6 hrs which is an immaculate 400 bodied 200. Laurence Bailey has a (orange) 400 which was badly damaged in an accident at the L'Age D'Or meeting at Dijon in 2007. Cambridge Motorsport built a (yellow car) that was subsequently owned by Tim Fish. Richard Tyzack had a (silver) 200 which ran in FIA GTC. In addition to Jelli and Willie Green, I understand Richard Dodkins is also building one. There is at least one dutch one racing (dark red) and one in Germany. According to Mike Mooney the author of 'Griffith Years' 261 US Griffith 200s and 59 Griffith 400s were built.

I have an immaculate roadgoing Griffith 400 currently for sale with history back to 1966 including period competition which some of you will have seen in the paddock at Spa - red with white stripes on chrome wires. Terry has one and Mike Abbas had one for sale as well.

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Old 4 Jan 2009, 10:47 (Ref:2364906)   #19
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Thanks to everyone else for their contribs, too! More, please!

I do have quite a few pics, many of which will have appeared in my pictorial race reviews, and if this develops and gets into the Chassis Archive, I'll add them, but at the moment it's as much info that is available that I am after.
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Old 4 Jan 2009, 12:26 (Ref:2364943)   #20
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John it seems that you might have been right about International history. I have to say that I am confused as I would have thought Redex at least was an international status meeting but I must be wrong....
It is interesting that now people seem to have worked out how to set them up (although Jamie Boot seems to have got on with his pretty well for some time) they are having a renaissance
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Old 4 Jan 2009, 15:46 (Ref:2365048)   #21
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Peter,just to clarify the +"International" aspect.It is possible to have an International Event that plays host to some supporting Club events,it is those that are not classed as International.If it was indeed one of those situations,then FIA/HTPs should not have been approved/granted.
For example,1954 at Brands Hatch,Daily Mail International Trophy, a certain HRG was at the meeting and competed,but in a supporting race =no HTPs.
There is no dark secret with them Simon,quite a straight forwards bit of kit really although they did vary by quite a bit from the factory.

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Old 4 Jan 2009, 15:59 (Ref:2365054)   #22
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This may be semantics, in which case I apologise, but "international" surely means the category of the event, not where the event is held?
Quite right Peter - location is irrelevant, status is what matters. There is lots of evidence of Griffiths racing in the US in period at Road America for example but the FIA don't recognise these - they weren't FIA sanctioned events.......

Malcolm Johnson built his 400 in 2007 and gathered a large amount of information about their race history. On that basis papers were issued by Jim Lowry, I think. There is some discussion about what mods were run in period eg car width, air intakes etc but eligibility does not appear to be an issue.

I do not believe there is any question that the International Senior Service Sports Car race at Silverstone on 10.7.65 or the AMOC Martini Trophy at Silverstone on 24.7.65 or the Aspern GT on 17.10.65 were 'International' events all of which had Griffiths competing.

Terry I suspect those such as Jon Shipman and Malcolm have a greater interest than the TVRCC archivist in proving the race history of the cars. I just hope the FIA take an even handed approach when looking at the eligibility and specification of other marques.

Jelli is building his 200 to a similar spec to Steve Watton's car ie not FIA

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Old 4 Jan 2009, 16:03 (Ref:2365059)   #23
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One little snippet for you John that may help,Joe Wards two Griffiths,the first a 200,the second,now owned by Tim Fish,and I belive now finished in blue.Both cars were shunted at Mallory at the end of the 02 season,[we rebuilt both in a fortnight!] One,the yellow car,had a new chassis whilst we had to repair the White/Red stripe car that went to Holland eventually.Cars with the JNP registration number have all come from Chris Sherle this includes the Boot car.
Jim Lowry is now having to take a second look at all of the Griffs,he had a look at Mongoose a couple of weeks ago. Seems strange that we ,CMS,never had any problem 14years ago with the papers though.

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Thanks for the clarification Terry.
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Thanks for the clarification Terry.

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Again, thanks all. Of course, I think the Mongoose was the earliest of the V8 engined TVRs raced (Buick 3.5, I seem to recall), certainly of that shape, anyway, and is a historic race car in its own right.

Right, we have chassis no. 03/200 (thanks, Terry). Anyone know any of the others? I'm hoping that Louise and Mark, at least, will catch up with this thread soon!

Terry, any chance of persuading Jim Lowry to join us and share his info?
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The situation relating to International History is currently resolved on the basis that the car was homologated. The overview on International use wasato ensure that the car at a given point in time complied with -demonstrably- the appendix K of the period. There are one or two odd ball cars which were homologated without being used internationally-the Gilbern I think is another .Thus the homologated specification re-assures, as it were, the powers that be as to its suitability.
That having been said I understand that there is now very great interest being shown in the mechanical/suspension specifications of some if not all of the cars currently being raced.
The Nick van Giels car is the ex Chris Schirle car which was raced about four years ago by the Belgian whose name escapes me right now.
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Hi John and all - happy New Year. Just caught up with 10/10ths after some while.

We are very proud to own chassis number 023 which is a US 200 car. It was sold out of the Ford dealer in Alaska in 64 or 65 and stayed there for 25 years or so. The second owner street drag raced it and ice raced it sometime in the late 60's/early 70's. After a shunt in the 70's it was stored outside until the late 90's when a Californian Jag specialist bought it to prepare it for vintage racing. He had to wait until the Spring to collect it due to the ice and snow!

The Californian spent lots of time and money getting the car to near concourse spec and racing it at Laguna Seca, LA, Willow Springs etc. We took the car off his hands in 2001 and have raced it since that time.

Re it's spec, it does not have FIA papers but is probably one of the most standard Griffs you'll find racing. No wide arches, large wheels, electronic ignition, non-period block, huge manifolds etc. We run with a fully carpeted interior although have taken the spare seat out. The car is fully road legal and has just made it through yet another MOT.

The reason we haven't got FIA papers is that it runs the Ford Granada uprights, which were allowed for many years by the FIA, right up to the point we were going to put our papers in (early 2002 I think). We've made the decision to stick with the uprights rather than go back to trunions from a safety aspect. Even then, we've had some failures....

Engine is to FIA spec but we have fairly small manifolds as we don't want to cut into the foot well to stick anything bigger on - it's already tight in there. It probably has about 320-350bhp - most of the FIA cars are running 400+ bhp and certainly need the bigger wheels and tyres (and wheel arches).

We've raced it with Top Hat, HSCC HRS (race winner), Heritage GT and other events including Daytona in 2007. After a year in the garage, it's now ready to run in some CSCC events in 2009.

BTW, Laurence Bailey has sold his orange Griff and I hear that the rebuild has restarted. Laurence now has a fantistic 65 Corvette which he'll run with CSCC.

Hope this is helpful.
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Excellent info, thanks, Louise.

Well, Alaska is next to Canada, right? Actually, can you think of a less likely State than Alaska to sell such a car in, during the 1960s (or now, even) ?

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According to Chris,thier all ex his! Thanks for the up-date Jeremy,I would assume that Rear Up-rights are a focal point?
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