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Old 12 Sep 2017, 13:37 (Ref:3766258)   #631
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This case shows again how lame the management of the WTCC.

A serious, professional series has some kind of middle-term agreement with the competitors to make sure to avoid this kind of situations (what Citroen and Lada did or the VW teams did in WEC).

Also a serious and professional series share back the majority of their income (money from broadcasting, advertisment, track license money) to the competitors.
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Old 12 Sep 2017, 13:38 (Ref:3766259)   #632
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No one knows that today. I think they are looking for a solution that is benefitial for both sides. We will see in a few months I think.
I think they have to try to convince the Volvo to stay at least for an another season. Maybe they can oil it with some money.
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Old 12 Sep 2017, 14:15 (Ref:3766273)   #633
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WTCC switching to TCR would be Lotti's ultimate victory. Remember, Lotti always wanted TCR for the WTCC, but Eurosport & Ribeiro didn't agree. Lotti went his own way, and the rest is history.

To be honest, a WTCC with TCR cars ran by factory-teams with factory-drivers would be pretty awesome...
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Old 12 Sep 2017, 14:56 (Ref:3766278)   #634
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They should just merge the two together it will be quicker
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Old 12 Sep 2017, 16:30 (Ref:3766302)   #635
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They should just merge the two together it will be quicker
Agree. Merge with factory teams will mean more drivers and with good circuit based BoP no one will dominate.
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Old 12 Sep 2017, 19:15 (Ref:3766352)   #636
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To be honest, a WTCC with TCR cars ran by factory-teams with factory-drivers would be pretty awesome...
Would love to see that.

Honda, SEAT, VW, Audi, Opel, Hyundai, Alfa, LADA and the unnamed Japanese manufacturer each with two or three cars. Combine that during the European rounds with an ETCC for the privateers and smaller teams.
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Old 12 Sep 2017, 19:27 (Ref:3766356)   #637
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I would rather see a championship fully based on privateers then (which is, unfortunately, impossible under current FIA regulations) in order to bring some stability to the championship.

I also don't think TCR regulations are attractive for factory teams due to BoP and global shifts of manufacturers to electric racing.

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No need for full factory teams like DTM or WTCC (Citroen, Volvo) but semi-factory teams. Teams like M1RA (Honda), Craft-Bamboo (SEAT), WRT (VW), etc. Factories supplying drivers, promotion and some financial backing.

And yes electric future is a threat for current forms of motorsport.
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 03:57 (Ref:3766426)   #639
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To be honest, if I was the WTCC, I'd do something to make it an EWTCC. (Electric World Touring Car Championship) That might entice some manufacturers and would buy them time with Volvo.

Whatever WTCC does next excluding that, I'd say they're onto a loser. TCR style package would make no sense even as a stop gap and if they do nothing, they're losing manufacturers and nobody's joining back. However, I say this the day after Jaguar announce an I-Pace support series.
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And yes electric future is a threat for current forms of motorsport.
Going to be unpopular for saying this, but seeing the interest in Formula-E I'd say the electric future is a huge opportunity for the current forms of motorsports. It's the lack of willingness of the public to adapt to new times thats the real threat.
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 10:47 (Ref:3766463)   #641
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Private teams - even the professional ones - usually doesn't have enough money to pay decent professional drivers + factory teams means more glamour/higher rank for any championship.
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Yeah, at least being factory supported means you've got stable backing
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Yeah, at least being factory supported means you've got stable backing
...for one year at a time
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A series full of privateers with pay drivers is not something that should be considered a World Championship.

Watching Trust Fund Baby A beat Trust Fund Baby B isn't fun, nor exciting. You need big names.
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 16:14 (Ref:3766561)   #645
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TC1 has been a total unmitigated disaster for the WTCC. Firstly it priced a load of privateers out of the series, and then Citroen screws over Honda and Lada by forcing them to build new cars a season earlier than planned. I get that S2000 was getting a bit long in the tooth, but to go for an even more expensive and aero-dependent spec of car seemed daft back then and looks even worse now.

Incidentally, can I just add that homologation is a stupid, stupid idea. If someone wants to build a car to the set of rules, they should be allowed to, ala BTCC.
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