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Old 24 Oct 2016, 11:15 (Ref:3682451)   #16
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The Audi is also developed and built by SEAT Sport in Spain.
First Dutch customer is Johan Kraan Motorsport.
Is it ? Do you have a link to info on this ? I was under the impression Audi-Sport ran their operations out of Nekarsulm
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Old 24 Oct 2016, 12:58 (Ref:3682474)   #17
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Doesn't work from a financial standpoint or a performance standpoint?
Financial. Only one team/manufacturer (i.e the winning one) will have a ROI that is profitable. All other teams will be shut down by their boards when they spend more money then what it returns cause they arent winning.

TCR is called the first BOP regulations in Touringcar racing as it mirrors the framework of GT3. But if you look historicly I'd say BOP has been the base of all majour Touringcar regulations for the last 30 years. Take S2000, there we had BOP between RWD (BMW) against turbodiesel (SEAT) against petrol FWD (Chevy). It worked cause all 3 manufacturers where being BOPed to the same performance, eventough one might have been underdeveloped, they just adjusted BOP and everyone was winning and happy.
Same in the ST years in the 90s, you had BOP between RWD (BMW), 4WD (Audi) vs everyone else. The whole game for everyone else was always to be the fastest FWD car, cause that way you were always going to be BOPed to the same level as BMW and Audi. Later TOCA and FIA took it one step further and to balance every FWD car they gave special technincal permissions to each team, in an attempt to balance all FWD cars. This is where it all went south cause to do all those special masterpeices cost huge sums of money.

It was all just BOP anyway. Difference is now its much easier to make BOP adjustments wherever they see fit and everyone know NOT to spend huge piles of money on something cause you WILL get BOPed to the same level as everyone else. So why have a technincal regulation with expensive fuel flow equipment and "free" development when all it does is cost money?
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Old 25 Oct 2016, 16:28 (Ref:3682779)   #18
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Is it ? Do you have a link to info on this ? I was under the impression Audi-Sport ran their operations out of Nekarsulm

According to team owner Johan Kraan who bought an Audi TCR:
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The TCR is developed together with SEAT and built by SEAT in Spain.
Like you can see the cars [I assume he means SEAT, VW, Audi] look almost identical inside.
We have ordered the first car that has destination The Netherlands. We have to pickup the car in Spain.
http://autosport.nl/klasse/nieuws/28...nsterlandpokal
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Old 25 Oct 2016, 20:41 (Ref:3682844)   #19
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SPV Racing By Speed Factory 2017 on the TCR Int.? They have looked at the Audi last Weekend at the N'Ring.
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/1...l-paddock.html
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Old 30 Oct 2016, 16:12 (Ref:3684049)   #20
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Financial. Only one team/manufacturer (i.e the winning one) will have a ROI that is profitable. All other teams will be shut down by their boards when they spend more money then what it returns cause they arent winning.

TCR is called the first BOP regulations in Touringcar racing as it mirrors the framework of GT3. But if you look historicly I'd say BOP has been the base of all majour Touringcar regulations for the last 30 years. Take S2000, there we had BOP between RWD (BMW) against turbodiesel (SEAT) against petrol FWD (Chevy). It worked cause all 3 manufacturers where being BOPed to the same performance, eventough one might have been underdeveloped, they just adjusted BOP and everyone was winning and happy.
Same in the ST years in the 90s, you had BOP between RWD (BMW), 4WD (Audi) vs everyone else. The whole game for everyone else was always to be the fastest FWD car, cause that way you were always going to be BOPed to the same level as BMW and Audi. Later TOCA and FIA took it one step further and to balance every FWD car they gave special technincal permissions to each team, in an attempt to balance all FWD cars. This is where it all went south cause to do all those special masterpeices cost huge sums of money.

It was all just BOP anyway. Difference is now its much easier to make BOP adjustments wherever they see fit and everyone know NOT to spend huge piles of money on something cause you WILL get BOPed to the same level as everyone else. So why have a technincal regulation with expensive fuel flow equipment and "free" development when all it does is cost money?
All fair points. I appreciate the post.
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Old 4 Nov 2016, 09:36 (Ref:3685287)   #21
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What the f***
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...macau-in-2017/
Final in Yas Marina?!
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Old 4 Nov 2016, 11:04 (Ref:3685296)   #22
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Could it be alongside F1?
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Could it be alongside F1?
Yes. Alongside F1, but I think that Yas, with lot of straights, isn't track for Touring cars.
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Old 4 Nov 2016, 12:39 (Ref:3685313)   #24
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There is only one good vehicle suited for that Yas Marina Circuit, and thats a JCB digging it up.
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Agree with JCB digging it up
BTW Anyone know what engine Astra TCR use. Is it Insignia engine or future Astra OPC engine?
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Old 4 Nov 2016, 21:07 (Ref:3685397)   #26
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Final race should be in Europe, preferably Brands Hatch alongside BTCC. Just daydreaming.
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Old 5 Nov 2016, 13:30 (Ref:3685505)   #27
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That would be cosmic to see those cars going round the GP loop, but you're right, it probably won't happen anytime soon
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Old 5 Nov 2016, 18:47 (Ref:3685592)   #28
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final round should be at Enna Pergusa, that would end pretty messy though.
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Old 5 Nov 2016, 19:08 (Ref:3685598)   #29
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Like Superstars in 2012?
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Like Superstars in 2012?
Haha, was entertaining at least! Love that track.
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