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Old 14 Jul 2017, 23:00 (Ref:3751308)   #46
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Old 15 Jul 2017, 07:11 (Ref:3751366)   #47
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Quality?

I see current BTCC has quantity and thrills and spills. On that front it does very well.

Apart from a handful of drivers, there are no names involved anymore.

Neither series are really 'touring cars'.
If you say there are no names involved in BTCC, imagine what drivers will be in TCR but I doubt that we will see any significant names. Moreover, the best of these drivers will aim at BTCC or TCR International. TCR UK won't make high level racing.
What about your statement that neither are touring cars? What do you mean?
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Old 15 Jul 2017, 07:24 (Ref:3751369)   #48
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The quality of BTCC is so high this season, it's very close, so I don't know what you mean when there is no quality in the BTCC. We're not going to get the international levels of drivers we had in the 90s, but we have got the best British tin top drivers and have done for a while
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Old 15 Jul 2017, 08:33 (Ref:3751380)   #49
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Do you really think that?

Close I can see, but very little quality in any depth.

I think the style of racing and how things are managed means that 90% of those drivers suitable are in GTs and the places that frees up are taken by wannabees with money. Wannabees but neverwillbees...
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Old 15 Jul 2017, 10:06 (Ref:3751392)   #50
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Do you really think that?

Close I can see, but very little quality in any depth.

I think the style of racing and how things are managed means that 90% of those drivers suitable are in GTs and the places that frees up are taken by wannabees with money. Wannabees but neverwillbees...
In years gone by I would definitely have agreed with you, but I think you're being pretty harsh on the current crop of drivers.
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Old 15 Jul 2017, 14:43 (Ref:3751463)   #51
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I think my problem with the current crop of BTCC drivers is that - for some very understandable reasons - few of them have proved themselves on a wider stage. Turks and Neal are two of the small number who have. So it's hard to judge the others in the round. And of course we hardly have any foreign drivers any more.
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Old 15 Jul 2017, 15:03 (Ref:3751466)   #52
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Thats a shame.
Why?

The next BMW 1-Series will be FWD.
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Old 15 Jul 2017, 15:12 (Ref:3751468)   #53
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If you say there are no names involved in BTCC, imagine what drivers will be in TCR but I doubt that we will see any significant names. Moreover, the best of these drivers will aim at BTCC or TCR International. TCR UK won't make high level racing.
What about your statement that neither are touring cars? What do you mean?
Except for the old garde most drivers were nobodies before they entered BTCC. Also the likes of Stefano Comini and Josh Files before their success in TCR.

And in the past we have seen talented drivers who were not able to raise the funding for BTCC.
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Old 15 Jul 2017, 22:28 (Ref:3751534)   #54
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Except for the old garde most drivers were nobodies before they entered BTCC. Also the likes of Stefano Comini and Josh Files before their success in TCR.

And in the past we have seen talented drivers who were not able to raise the funding for BTCC.
Absolutely agree. There are numerous talented drivers who cannot raise the funding for BTCC and to many who can without the talent, as we have seen for to many seasons.
TCR UK will provide the opportunity for talented drivers to feature in a saloon car championship with a reasonable budget.
Lets not kid ourselves however that it is another feeder for BTCC, that still remains to be cheque book racing without talent as we have experienced over many seasons. But it will still be an opportunity for many of talented drivers to star
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Old 16 Jul 2017, 07:17 (Ref:3751579)   #55
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Why?

The next BMW 1-Series will be FWD.
Yep, a travesty in my eyes. I guess there is the 2 or 3 series, though I'm not sure if they are eligible.
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Old 16 Jul 2017, 14:46 (Ref:3751802)   #56
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2 Series is a coupe so not allowed.
3 Series too big.
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Very interesting read. Slower, cheaper, customer cars for use as a BTCC feeder series. If it's on the BritishGT support list, all 26 track-side fans will have fun.
Hi Bob,

So you are aware TCR cars are actually as fast if not slightly faster than BTCC cars, cost 4 x less and BTCC is also a customer series realistically as well. The manufacture teams of BTCC are not as 'manufacture' as you may think and most of the grid are privateers with a lot of money.

I'm sure TCR will be a success, the cars are much better to drive

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BTCC is also a customer series realistically as well. The manufacture teams of BTCC are not as 'manufacture' as you may think and most of the grid are privateers with a lot of money.
Indeed, and let's not forget that all BTCC cars are customers of RML for the spec parts, and a significant number are customers of Swindon for the engines, no matter what the badge or bodyshell is meant to be.
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 22:07 (Ref:3752618)   #59
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Just thinking how many people current own a TCR spec car in the UK? Off the top of my head:

Stewart Lines (Leon)
Finlay Crocker (Civic)
Andrew Morrison (Leon)





Club racer Darren Goes has a current-spec Leon, regularly used in MSV Team/Trackday Trophy- whether he could afford or even want to do TCR is another matter.
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So you are aware TCR cars are actually as fast if not slightly faster than BTCC cars, cost 4 x less and BTCC is also a customer series realistically as well. The manufacture teams of BTCC are not as 'manufacture' as you may think and most of the grid are privateers with a lot of money.



I'm sure TCR will be a success, the cars are much better to drive



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I personally enjoy TCR more than BTCC, there's something about how scrappy and light TCR cars are on the right circuit that is really enjoyable to watch.

And I think most of the main UK circuits will really suit TCR

And, welcome to Ten Tenths Josh, great to hear your insight!
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