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Old 27 Aug 2017, 15:07 (Ref:3762012)   #31
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Red Bull throwing away points again, these reliabillity isues nee to be fixed.

Just hear the problem was with a spark plug wich caused the engine to go into safe mode.

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Old 27 Aug 2017, 15:14 (Ref:3762013)   #32
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I believe Ocon could've easily backed out of it, that was a predictable line, and he wasn't alongside enough to claim the line.
Perez' move wasn't extreme nor sudden, imo.

I'm ok with no penalty for either
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Old 27 Aug 2017, 15:17 (Ref:3762014)   #33
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I believe Ocon could've easily backed out of it, that was a predictable line, and he wasn't alongside enough to claim the line.
Perez' move wasn't extreme nor sudden, imo.

I'm ok with no penalty for either
Completely disagree. Yes, he could have backed out of it but he was very obviously squeezed. Plain dangerous by Perez.
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Old 27 Aug 2017, 15:28 (Ref:3762018)   #34
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Red Bull throwing away points again, these reliabillity isues nee to be fixed.

Just hear the problem was with a spark plug wich caused the engine to go into safe mode.
According to Ted Kravitz so probably cobblers
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Old 27 Aug 2017, 15:33 (Ref:3762020)   #35
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According to Ted Kravitz so probably cobblers
The Dutch F1 comentator also said the same
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Old 27 Aug 2017, 17:35 (Ref:3762050)   #36
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That could have been a Force India plane crash accident, Perez clearly moved to his right into Ocon.

Since the FIA have clearly bottled it, Force India need to do something ... Deliberately benching Perez for FP1 at Monza.

There would also be the clear instruction to both that anymore and either would be benched not just for a free practice but for a full weekend.
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Old 27 Aug 2017, 18:26 (Ref:3762071)   #37
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Old 27 Aug 2017, 19:10 (Ref:3762091)   #38
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I just want to say that the best thing about the race was that three abreast move at Les Combes

I love the way Lewis is now even with the Red Baron in terms of poles.

I just hope that them at RBR are able to get a better car for Max. I just think that the fact that the unluckiest was again him, Fred and Jolyon means that he needs to be a good deal more luckier than he is ATM.

The incident between the two Force Indias was more Checo's fault and he should have given Ocon more room
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Old 27 Aug 2017, 20:08 (Ref:3762131)   #39
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I believe Ocon could've easily backed out of it, that was a predictable line, and he wasn't alongside enough to claim the line.
Perez' move wasn't extreme nor sudden, imo.

I'm ok with no penalty for either
Yepp thats spot on. Since when do you suppose to give ANY room to someone a full car length behind you. It was 100% perez' line to take or choose, ocon simply was way too optimistic squeezing in there. You want space granted to you, then be at the very least head to head (preferably a bit ahead) with another car entering a corner. Then the space has to be given to you.

Perez did iterraly NOTHING againts any rule, he didnt change line twice, didnt change line under braking, and wasnt obliged to leave space whatsoever. End of.
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Old 27 Aug 2017, 20:15 (Ref:3762140)   #41
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Yepp thats spot on. Since when do you suppose to give ANY room to someone a full car length behind you. It was 100% perez' line to take or choose, ocon simply was way too optimistic squeezing in there. You want space granted to you, then be at the very least head to head (preferably a bit ahead) with another car entering a corner. Then the space has to be given to you.

Perez did iterraly NOTHING againts any rule, he didnt change line twice, didnt change line under braking, and wasnt obliged to leave space whatsoever. End of.
If Ocon was a full car behind as you suggest then Perez would have been able to come across in front of Ocon.

The fact that Ocon's front wing was hit by Perez's rear tyre tells you that Perez was not a full car in front.
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Old 27 Aug 2017, 20:19 (Ref:3762144)   #42
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Yepp thats spot on. Since when do you suppose to give ANY room to someone a full car length behind you. It was 100% perez' line to take or choose, ocon simply was way too optimistic squeezing in there. You want space granted to you, then be at the very least head to head (preferably a bit ahead) with another car entering a corner. Then the space has to be given to you.

Perez did iterraly NOTHING againts any rule, he didnt change line twice, didnt change line under braking, and wasnt obliged to leave space whatsoever. End of.
full car lenght behind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRQA0986bBw
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Old 27 Aug 2017, 20:32 (Ref:3762147)   #43
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First incident was a racing incident, second one Checo could of avoided it
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Old 27 Aug 2017, 21:55 (Ref:3762169)   #44
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Ocon was annoyed at the team a lap or 2 before after the pit stop brought him out behind Perez. This is a factor. If the barging hadn't happened on the run down to Eau Rouge,it would have happened somewhere else round the lap. Ocon was on a mission. Perez would not have let him past.

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Old 28 Aug 2017, 00:16 (Ref:3762186)   #45
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I believe Ocon could've easily backed out of it, that was a predictable line, and he wasn't alongside enough to claim the line.
Perez' move wasn't extreme nor sudden, imo.

I'm ok with no penalty for either
I agree.
What was Ocon thinking trying a pass there?
He wasn't alongside when they touched (just a tiny bit - frontwing against rear tire), and he would never have passed him before Eau Rouge.

Wrong place to try that. Stay behind, pick up the tow, and pass on the Kemmel Straight.

It's a same that was Perez - Ocon again, but that move would not have worked in a <name anybody> - Ocon suituation either.
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