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Old 29 Aug 2017, 06:31 (Ref:3762518)   #16
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If Supercar rents the track, and takes in all of the financial burden & risk, the circuit should be fine with that.

Supercar has shown its interest & intention to do that.

The past is now gone....
in my last stint on BAC that option was offered to V8SC and they (V8SC) refused. To my knowledge Winton is still the only circuit to 'promote' their own event, all the rest are done by either SCA themselves or a Government of some description, I will stand corrected though, it has been a while

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in my last stint on BAC that option was offered to V8SC and they V8SC refused. To my knowledge Winton is still the only circuit to 'promote' their own event, all the rest are done by either SCA themselves or a Government of some description, I will stand corrected though, it has been a while
clipsal still promote their own event, But nearly all are done now in house at Supercars
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clipsal still promote their own event, But nearly all are done now in house at Supercars
no doubting your words, but isn't the S.A. Government the promoter?
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no doubting your words, but isn't the S.A. Government the promoter?
correct, the South Australian Tourism Commission to be exact. so not Supercars

Darwin is the Northern Territory Major Events Company Pty Ltd

Wasnt disagreeing with you, just adding more info
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Old 29 Aug 2017, 07:50 (Ref:3762530)   #20
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It was probably a combination of both.

However, there were many reasons as to why S2 now runs entirely on the maingame schedule. Mostly around exposure to crowds and media, and the logistics of it.
Yep, the teams wanted to run with the main game (they'd already had experience of that at Clipsal for a few years plus QR), the extra weekends were increasing staff workloads and costs for V8s and as Trevor has said, some or all circuits previously hosting standalone Fujitsu series events preferred to roll them into the main game events or in the case of such as Wakefield with no main game event, cease to run the Fujitsu event.

Moving the 2nd series to a main game support suited everyone.
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Old 29 Aug 2017, 11:23 (Ref:3762570)   #21
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Where is CAMS in all this? Shouldn't "five pillars" of motor sport be a CAMS responsibility?

I find it hard to believe they will bother with any non-VASC weekends outside the B12hr,
Not enough people attend anything else to make promoting it worthwhile.
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Where is CAMS in all this? Shouldn't "five pillars" of motor sport be a CAMS responsibility?
That's the best question without an answer yet. If Supercars becomes this behemoth it poses two scenarios. The first is that it becomes too big to fail, and does anyway, irreparably destroying circuit racing in this country. The second (and possibly more worrying to those in Malvern East) is that if Supercars becomes motorsport in Australia, do they need CAMS anymore?

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I find it hard to believe they will bother with any non-VASC weekends outside the B12hr,
Not enough people attend anything else to make promoting it worthwhile.
It's a chicken and egg thing. Promote it, and people will come. Don't promote it, and noone knows about it and they don't come.
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I've always thought CAMS should be only a governing body and event underwriter (insurance).
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Where is CAMS in all this? Shouldn't "five pillars" of motor sport be a CAMS responsibility?
Totally get your point if Mr Warburton had allegedly been referring to motorsport generally but he wasn't. He was referring to the five pillars of the Supercars events business.

At some point Supercars will need to deal with CAMS on how it all works but it also is a fair chance that Supercars already has, or is working on commercial agreements with the category managers of the mentioned series.

In some ways it's similar to the announced CBS buyout of Network 10 - the commercial deal has been announced but it still requires regulatory approval before proceeding and CAMS is of course a regulator.
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I can tell you that there was a time when V8SC's looked at giving CAMS the arse and going it alone, basically sanctioning (and getting their own insurance) their own events, but the overseas events squashed that as they needed the FIA link

It was at a time when CAMS stewards (and some rulings) where driving V8SC's nuts

Remember that Supercar testing was (and maybe still is) done under AASA
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clipsal still promote their own event, But nearly all are done now in house at Supercars
That doesn't mean that V8sc rent the track from the circuit though.

Stand alone events were tried by V8sc and failed. You can't ignore the past - or you are doomed to repeat it.

This 5 pillar approach I feel is another attempt to control Australian motorsport to push the barrow of V8SC category.

A 2nd strong National series is surely in the best interest of Australian motorsport - running more v8sc events and pushing them all under this banner marginalises competition and promotes a monopoly.

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That doesnt mean they rent the track from the circuit though
No idea what you mean, got an example?
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They rent Phillip Island and Bathurst that I know of
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No idea what you mean, got an example?
You don't understand the notion that a business could not rent a circuit yet could still promote it?

Examples include Queensland Raceway in recent years and SMP.
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You don't understand that they dont rent circuits that they promote?

Examples include Queensland Raceway in recent years and SMP.
Still dont know what you are saying. Explain yourself? Why are they are at SMP?
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