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Old 18 Aug 2017, 14:51 (Ref:3760164)   #1471
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So basically he's in favour of using the full perimeter circuit, not bad
Yes, the circuit 12 is super fast in the style of Monza and much closer than the circuit 15 that used for the formula 1 from 1971 to 1981 and of course much more attractive than the Mickey Mouse (number 6) used from 1995 to 1998.
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Old 18 Aug 2017, 15:23 (Ref:3760172)   #1472
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Yes, the circuit 12 is super fast in the style of Monza and much closer than the circuit 15 that used for the formula 1 from 1971 to 1981 and of course much more attractive than the Mickey Mouse (number 6) used from 1995 to 1998.


Not quite, the 1974-81 version used the infield bit as well
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Old 18 Aug 2017, 15:26 (Ref:3760174)   #1473
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I doubt that Formula 1 would use the fast Salotto corner. They would add a chicane, hairpin or something to have overtaking.
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Old 18 Aug 2017, 15:29 (Ref:3760176)   #1474
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Not quite, the 1974-81 version used the infield bit as well
Yes, the circuit 15 much more near the circuit 12 than the circuit 6.

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I doubt that Formula 1 would use the fast Salotto corner. They would add a chicane, hairpin or something to have overtaking.
That would ruin the Salotto corner. Leave it as it is, it needs to be challenging.
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The biggest issue with the track running without the infield areas is there is very little real breaking, and so energy would have to be harvested on the straights.
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The biggest issue with the track running without the infield areas is there is very little real breaking, and so energy would have to be harvested on the straights.




Don't you think we should stop engineering every circuit to suit the cars, this would provide a different challenge for everyone?
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That would ruin the Salotto corner. Leave it as it is, it needs to be challenging.
Forgive me, but when has F1 been concerned of late at providing "challenging" race tracks? You can bet your last dollar that every corner will have tarmac paved run off.
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It's a price to pay to see one of the best circuit layouts return
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Don't you think we should stop engineering every circuit to suit the cars, this would provide a different challenge for everyone?
In that case I want WEC at Knockhill. It'd be a challenge.
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Don't you think we should stop engineering every circuit to suit the cars, this would provide a different challenge for everyone?
The point I was making is that if F1 are going to new countries or returning to old ones. I want to see good racing.

Like it or not, the current breed of cars do have energy harvesting, and the best way of doing that is under braking. In addition the best/only way to overtake in F1 is under braking.

Cars running at "top speed less harvesting" down straights isn't good racing.
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The point I was making is that if F1 are going to new countries or returning to old ones. I want to see good racing.

Like it or not, the current breed of cars do have energy harvesting, and the best way of doing that is under braking. In addition the best/only way to overtake in F1 is under braking.

Cars running at "top speed less harvesting" down straights isn't good racing.
Indeed. It certainly would not be more challenging for the driver to run around harvesting down the straights. But it wouldn't be any fun for us.
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It's a price to pay to see one of the best circuit layouts return
Why was one of the best layouts? It gave the drivers of the day in the cars of the day a real challenge. Driving it well got results, several drivers doing it well gave great racing.

I don't believe that layout 12 would give the drivers of today, in today's car the same challenge.

Tracks have to evolve, don't get me wrong, I hate to see classic corners getting torn up, but if you look at Curva Grande at Monza. It was a long hard challenging right hander where the car had to be balanced on the throttle. As F1 cars have changed, it has become a right hand down a bit on the wheel "straight" taken at full throttle.
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Why was one of the best layouts? It gave the drivers of the day in the cars of the day a real challenge. Driving it well got results, several drivers doing it well gave great racing.

I don't believe that layout 12 would give the drivers of today, in today's car the same challenge.

Tracks have to evolve, don't get me wrong, I hate to see classic corners getting torn up, but if you look at Curva Grande at Monza. It was a long hard challenging right hander where the car had to be balanced on the throttle. As F1 cars have changed, it has become a right hand down a bit on the wheel "straight" taken at full throttle.
More than F1 cars race at Monza and other tracks. That same corner is still a challenge in other cars today. I hate seeing tracks torn up for essentially one weekend of the year when the F1 circus is in town and then the other 362 days they have to live with the mess of a layout forced on them by Charlie Whiting.
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Old 20 Aug 2017, 11:41 (Ref:3760564)   #1485
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That's true, drivers are increasingly rabbiting on about corners no longer being corners, Eau Rouge for example you had to have skill to take it flat, now it's easy for everyone
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