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God forbid anyone ever dents the roof on their otherwise shiney new Commodore road car. Clearly Holden cant get you a new panel out of Opel/Peugeot anytime soon. |
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ZBs all have glass roofs as standard. Stamping one from scratch would be prohibitively expensive. The extra bracing, hinges, etc for the hatch would mitigate any advantage here in theory. |
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7g for roof/hatch/whatever you'd like to call it
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VE had 93mm chopped out of it and the ZB has a full 100mm chopped from the centre section. So this is a bespoke part and pressing it out of steel would be a ridiculous proposition. |
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Well I know the cost of the airbox systems used by a lot of the teams, from CAD to car and obviously a composite roof will be more expensive than an existing steel component from the factory, but it also offers the performance advantage. 50k for a complete set of composite panels for a racing car is actually quite cheap and you're not going to be replacing a roof very often at all. For a sport with budgets in excess of 5 mill a season, 10g-15g or so for roofs + molds which are in their eyes a big issue currently would be worth it.
Other teams will always squark about costs and so on because they don't want to have to do a thing, but it's almost always blown out of proportion. |
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Made an oversight, and I stand corrected.
Not going to sit here for the next three days, arguing about it until the thread gets locked. Carry on, gents. |
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That's how other low volume cars like limousines are created for example. Certainly not getting dies and presses made up! |
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Ryan Storey was even banging on about rain gutters etc which the composite panels don't have apparently. It comes down to the same old argument. In a parity formula why should teams disadvantaged by a newly homologated car be forced to spend more money to return to the point of parity? Surely that just indicates the parity process has failed. This is distinct from building new cars which they have done anyway. DJRTP build two new Falcons if I remember rightly and Nissan have atleast one new car in there somewhere. |
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Not all of the cars need to be shortened.
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So to make a car 'fit' in with series regulations, they've not only been not disadvantaged, they've potentially been given a decent advantage over exsiting competitors?
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And if they didn't cut and shut them to give them aerodynamic parity you guys would all complain that they were not equal in that way.
Lose lose. |
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888 have been strong at Adelaide for a while now and after struggling through most of last year have come out swinging. We MAY see different results in races to come. I doubt we'll see any parity related changes after 1 race meeting. |
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The sooner the bodywork weights are published, the better! Transparency is key.
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