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14 Jan 2005, 11:31 (Ref:1200757) | #26 | |
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Just repeating what the man said - and there was no hint of anything but honesty.
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14 Jan 2005, 19:23 (Ref:1201087) | #27 | |
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Ah, I forgot another paid driver - Watson-Smith in the Proton, probably on less than the big boys, more than Huff.
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14 Jan 2005, 20:57 (Ref:1201192) | #28 | |
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I'm sure I read £80,000 somewhere for Watson-Smith, can't be certain it is correct though.
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15 Jan 2005, 08:35 (Ref:1201444) | #29 | |
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80k could be about right
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15 Jan 2005, 09:54 (Ref:1201464) | #30 | |
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Although, I think he should of been on £250k for driving that Proton!..
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Referring to Collard's previous comments earlier, was there such a big gap between the Works and one year old ex-Works ST cars? Could most ST Independents afford one year old Works cars? Weren't most Independents only able to afford 2-3 year old ST cars? As a result, that's why they were so off the pace? As well, how many independents had the resources to fully maximize their cars to the highest potential?
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In 2004, seven of the Independents cars were 2003 spec ex-works cars - including the one which won the title.
In 2003, I can only think of two Indy's using 2002 spec ex-works cars - but again they included the title-winner. |
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Dynamics did a great job with their Nissan in '99 and had a close relationship with Nissan. TD's car was one of the few recent (year old) cars that was raced against works cars. As for other indies, manufacturers tended not to sell their cars the following year (some didn't sell them to other teams at all during the ST era), using them for winter testing, often they formed the basis of next years car. If they did sell them it was usually to semi works teams in other series in other countries, Volvo's went to Sweden for example, so cars that came onto the market were often 2 years or more older. There were also less volume of cars produced, teams were two car only as a rule (pre 2000). Contrast that to the number of Astra coupes there are in the BTCC. Last edited by Super Tourer; 16 Jan 2005 at 20:21. |
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Those 7 include the WSR MGs of course, which were works cars in 2003, and were perhaps the only non-works cars to get development as the season went on. The others (I think) were the 2 Dynamics cars, the VX Junior car of Bentwood, the Synchro car, and Hughes' MG.
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17 Jan 2005, 11:22 (Ref:1202882) | #36 | |
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They were the two WSR MGs, the Hughes MG, the Dynamics Hondas, and the GA Vauxhalls.
Bentwood was in a 2001 car with the 2003 engine. Last edited by sceptic; 17 Jan 2005 at 11:23. |
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17 Jan 2005, 12:42 (Ref:1202933) | #37 | |
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Just going back to the salary thing...
As has been said already, Reid wasnt paid for driving, but received a payment for PR work. Plato had a base salary and received a bonus payment for each race win.... Apparently the base salary was not that great for an established name but the win bonus was in the region of £25k. Plato also struck a deal with Huffy, whereby if Huffy acted as rear gunner or gifted a win to Plato, he received a % of the win bonus. |
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So that's why Plato wanted to finish 10th in race 1? Maybe he was playing to a self-interested strategy all along? Interesting stuff.
My mistake as to which teams had 2003-spec cars. GA look even more feeble now, considerig that Bentwood, Collard and Kaye all did so much more impressively. |
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Collard and Kaye had the continuity of staying with the car all season and previous years experience to fall back on - I'm afraid GA's Touring Car version of musical chairs didn't do them any favours but to keep the account book sorted.
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Nothing SEAT ever employed was close to what Ferrari did at Austria that day, it was more....subtle.
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18 Jan 2005, 18:27 (Ref:1203969) | #42 | |
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It only applies to FIA-run series.
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18 Jan 2005, 18:28 (Ref:1203970) | #43 | |
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tactics always have been and always will be part of motorsport at every level. What Plato did was common sense - you really do need your junior team mate to help you (that's why they're called team mates) and certainly don't want or expect him to attack you as well. That is completely different to the Ferari situation where Rubino virtually had to stop to allow Schui to catch and pass him.
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