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Based in La sarthe circuit the theoretically maximum capacity offered is (500Kj) 0,138Kw/h between 2 brake phases... contending that there is perhaps 9 times this in a lap, and 12 laps between stops, that will give ~15Kw/h MAXIMUM for those 12 laps. E-tron II has a 45Kw/h battery pack... Long story short... even with E-Tron II kind of battery packs it would be needed to replace batteries packs several times during a 24h race... because energy recovery is deficient ( the drivers aid BS)... OTOH... 0,138Kw/h is 0.187627783 horsepower, that is right, much less than 1 additional horsepower/hour for each long straight in Lemans... makes one wonder if that is of any use for motoring purposes... OTOH... 2 liter diesel for non hybrids have 37.3*2= 74.6MJ readily availables for each straight if that is the case(between 2 braking zones), which is 149x the case of hybrides... or considering the case of 12 laps, 20.7Kw/h more compared to the theoretical maximum of 15 Kw/h for the case of hybrid energy release. This is the case i make for saying that ACO doesn't want hybrids... efficient ones that is ( its clear, distorted undue influences again ?)... or else they would make energy release between 2 brake zones FREE (no button, accelerator pedal drive), and battery max energy content 50Kw/h, i.e., more that double of those 2 liters of fuel( diesel=more energetic in the comparative). And giving FREE release and up to 50Kw/h electric battery packs, would make petrol much more equal to diesels... electric energy would be equal for both. Its clear. If it were to me, R18 wouldn't be having any hybrid motorization... and energy recovery only for fuel pre-heating, and electric energy generation by exhaust pressure for engine auxiliaries( pumps) electric drive, reducing the engine parasitic loads and augmenting efficiency that way. Last edited by hcl123; 28 Jul 2010 at 00:28. |
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No!... maybe they developed a super-light weight exotic alloy/fabric, space stuff, to build their car... because the battery pack in E-Tron presented at Detroit weights 880 pounds = 399Kg... for only 45Kw/h.. which for a 930Kg car... would make only 531Kg (a F1 car) for all the rest.
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10 Sep 2010, 06:54 (Ref:2757144) | #181 | |
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According to http://twitpic.com/2mout4/full Audi is considering to return to ALMS, in combination with ILMC.
According to http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...tions-for-2011 3 American teams are in the running to get the multi-year program: Penske Racing, Highcroft Racing and Wayne Taylor Racing. |
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Hopefully if they pass on the responsibility of running the cars in the ALMS, they'll be allowing the team that's running the cars to bring them to Le Mans as well.
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10 Sep 2010, 10:52 (Ref:2757213) | #183 | |
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wow alms gt2 is going to be huge next year. with already bmw, porsche, ferrari,corvette,jaguar,ford,panoz,and now an Audi GT car. ALMS will need to adjust the the podium size maybe the top 5 will be the podium.
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10 Sep 2010, 11:01 (Ref:2757215) | #184 | |
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Audi very well knows that If penske racing is submitting a proposal penske just happen to be a shoe in for the next sportscar project. Well actually there is no discussion here. First of all Wayne Taylor Racing is quite a stretch to run prototypes and GT. As long as pagenaud and brabham drive for highcroft they will not get the deal because pagenaud will be driving a peugeot at next year lemans. Peugeot would have an inside man. Penske's a shoein with their sucess with porsche
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10 Sep 2010, 11:30 (Ref:2757225) | #185 | |
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oh and plus in terms of drivers i can see timo and romain in one car. with mike rockenfeller and lucas luhr in the other car. over the years there are just some driver pairings that come out on top because the two people know each other well. Timo and Romain seem to do everything together. Lucas Luhr seems to know Mike Rockenfeller well off the track. Andre Lotterer Benoit Treluyer and loic duval(they know eachotehr well off the track)(but he doesnt drive for audi) That would be another great combo to have in a car. I don't really get why audi chose Marcel fassler. In terms of size and weight if you just look at him he is the heaviest and largest driver in the squad. Some combos that are i see for the ALMS campaign are
1. McNish-Kristensen 2.Bernhard-Dumas 3.Luhr-Rockenfeller 4.Treluyer-Lotterer(might have supergt and formula nippon clash) My ideal Audi Lemans line up is: 1.MCNISH-KRISTENSEN-CAPELLO 2.ROCKENFELLER-DUMAS-BERNHARD 3.TRELUYER-LOTTERER-(LOIC DUVAL)If only they could coax him away from oreca and peugeot) Treluyer duval and lotterer know each other very well off track. |
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10 Sep 2010, 11:51 (Ref:2757230) | #186 | |
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Also i don't agree with the Audi lineups for the International lemans cup. Lotterer and Treluyer and Fassler should not be racing at petit. they should be racing in the chinese rounds since they are known better in asia. The only reason this is happening is because the porsche hybrid tookrocky,dumas, and timo
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in an ideal I would love to see in 2011 Hghcroft with two HPD machines, Penske with two R18 and De Ferran back with one car on the grid. In addition with two Dyson Mazda's, the Cytosport RS Spyder, Intersport etc. |
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According to their press release, Audi is now concerned with competition and who they win against. That makes Penske's bid difficult since it will look bad if Audi walks over everybody and discourages some competitors from entering. Highcroft is even more questionable because that means hiring the best ALMS team and not getting competition from 2-time series champions.
And of course Wayne Taylor would need to step up his game (although he was pretty much the one behind the Cadillac prototype program in 2002) and to find a main sponsor... |
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Hindy saying from the booth at Silverstone that the R-18 is also very close to being on track.
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But there are no regulations...................
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Maybe not out for the public, but the manufacturers probably have the final drafts in their possession and know 98% of the guidelines needed to build their cars, the other 2% being tweaks once the final version is given.
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It is questionable if the Mfgs. have the final draft, but I have to agree here in the general sense. L.P. |
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Both Audi and Peugeot seemingly have cars that are ready to run in the very near future so that means they must have a very specific idea of the upcoming rules...
I still think Audi's plans to run the ALMS make no sense, there will most likely be no competition for a works effort. |
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Audi has been the only works team in the ALMS more than a few times before. It is silly on the surface, yes. Deeper down though, they are the benchmark manufacturer that others are interested in beating - particularly Acura, who wanted to have that shot in 2009. If you field it, they will come? Maybe not, but more more likely than if you don't.
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And in the ALMS? If Highcroft gets to run the Audis then there are zero big teams left as it is now. What point is there for Audi to race against semi-pro efforts like Drayson & Cytosport? Victories against them have no marketing-value whatsoever.. So don't tell me they wouldn't be better off in the LMS. What's up with you badmouthing the LMS and the ILMC all the time btw? You talk about the ILMC going away and whatnot...I don't get it. |
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Audi had no problem racing Dyson in 2004 and 2005.
The presence of Audi in ALMS will perhaps attract more manufacturers. Porsche and later Acura came to ALMS because Audi was there. Manufacturers don't like LMS because of the small crowds and bad TV coverage. |
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