Will someone from VESA PLEASE send Peter McKay a Christmas Present??

**GTRMagic** · 19 Dec 2010, 02:41 (Ref:2806179)

Story Here

Maybe we could start a pool on how many times Mr McKay will smash V8Supercars in a given year?

mayhem · 19 Dec 2010, 02:48 (Ref:2806180)

Where are VESA going to get a box of sunshine from??

Marcos WTF · 19 Dec 2010, 05:31 (Ref:2806198)

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Where are VESA going to get a box of sunshine from??

How about a horse's head as a present. Not defending Cochrane, but
Mckay has had his panties in a bunch about V8's for over a decade.

Gaz170 · 19 Dec 2010, 03:11 (Ref:2806182)

If Tony stopped making stupid comments, McKay wouldn't have anything to write about.

Henry · 19 Dec 2010, 03:32 (Ref:2806185)

could it be that amongst the habitual vitriol PMcK sets aside especially for the V8SuperCircus, he might - just every now and again - have a point?

**GTRMagic** · 19 Dec 2010, 04:38 (Ref:2806189)

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Originally Posted by Henry

could it be that amongst the habitual vitriol PMcK sets aside especially for the V8SuperCircus, he might - just every now and again - have a point?

Sure, but is the solution to this to have a smack at the series, at the promoters, to the public at every opportunity almost suggesting that anyone who goes is getting royally screwed on some level??

pete60 · 19 Dec 2010, 04:47 (Ref:2806192)

But McKay has a valid point! Cochrane's remarks are just ridiculous. Exporter?? Give me a break. And the taxpayers of various states do contribute to his botrom line, in no small way.

Maybe it's Cochrane who should have a cold shower...

Henry · 26 Dec 2010, 05:27 (Ref:2808497)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Sure, but is the solution to this to have a smack at the series, at the promoters, to the public at every opportunity almost suggesting that anyone who goes is getting royally screwed on some level??

well, I'm probably not qualified to answer this one... ahving come to a similar conclusion a number of seasons ago....

rik · 20 Dec 2010, 05:40 (Ref:2806430)

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Originally Posted by Henry

could it be that amongst the habitual vitriol PMcK sets aside especially for the V8SuperCircus, he might - just every now and again - have a point?

Totally agree. Most of McKay's stuff is rubbish. But Cochrane should not be allowed to claim the high moral ground over taxpayer funding given the many many millions that have been poured into street circuit events by state governments and local councils.

The problem is the rest of the motorsport press are too scared to give Cochrane a slap because they're worried about losing their credentials etc..

Reload · 19 Dec 2010, 03:32 (Ref:2806186)

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Originally Posted by Gaz170

If Tony stopped making stupid comments, McKay wouldn't have anything to write about.

Yeah that !

Nice comparison with the Football World Cup Tony, the ego is becoming of "Murph" proportions.

**GTRMagic** · 19 Dec 2010, 04:54 (Ref:2806193)

You mean just like the state governments and local councils building sporting stadiums so AFL/NRL/A League/NBA/Hockey/Cricket/Tiddliewinks can play games each week?

bluesport · 19 Dec 2010, 05:28 (Ref:2806197)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

You mean just like the state governments and local councils building sporting stadiums so AFL/NRL/A League/NBA/Hockey/Cricket/Tiddliewinks can play games each week?

But there's far more public interest in the football codes than in the V8's.......it's only the headlights that represent the brands afterall.........isn't it?

dsg · 19 Dec 2010, 06:35 (Ref:2806206)

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But there's far more public interest in the football codes than in the V8's.......

The football codes yes for the most part, but other sports/arts programs get fairly decent government support for comparable public interest.

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it's only the headlights that represent the brands afterall.........isn't it?

It's disingenuous to claim a "racing car" doesn't represent the brand because it is not identical to the road going model.

bluesport · 19 Dec 2010, 07:30 (Ref:2806209)

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It's disingenuous to claim a "racing car" doesn't represent the brand because it is not identical to the road going model.

I was being facetious.

racer69 · 19 Dec 2010, 08:23 (Ref:2806217)

One could argue that McKay is sticking up for the enthusiast, the one forgotten about generally these days....

Would we prefer every journalist just kissed arse?

PVDA · 19 Dec 2010, 08:32 (Ref:2806222)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

You mean just like the state governments and local councils building sporting stadiums so AFL/NRL/A League/NBA/Hockey/Cricket/Tiddliewinks can play games each week?

Big difference between building a permanent stadium for the community to use 365 days a year and government money being spent to build a temporary track which is pulled apart as soon as the event is finished that benefits no one for 360 days of the year (except the people paid to assemble & disassemble things).

McKay has had a bee in his bonnet since his V8 series accreditation was pulled several years ago but the trouble is, for VE$A, he usually has some very valid points.

fomoco · 19 Dec 2010, 09:13 (Ref:2806232)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

You mean just like the state governments and local councils building sporting stadiums so AFL/NRL/A League/NBA/Hockey/Cricket/Tiddliewinks can play games each week?

Yes it's True, but a least you get to see something all year round. Not when it suits them, not when you have Govt's shelling out sheckles foe a three day event, not when you can get up 100,000 punters for a one day event , with out having to manipulate the figures.

Yes Mackay has a point, and Tony has street races. go figure. Not enough racing on permanent tracks and too sooky V8 Supercars co owners, the teams, we cant run every four weeks. boo hoo. With Tony the gob spokesman, well what else can you say.

All the best for Xmas Peter and keep up the good work

Falcadore · 20 Dec 2010, 03:32 (Ref:2806419)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

You mean just like the state governments and local councils building sporting stadiums so AFL/NRL/A League/NBA/Hockey/Cricket/Tiddliewinks can play games each week?

Support for the various football codes filters down to grass roots level and the managers at the of the other major sports are also the managers of the sport at community level and for children.

V8 Supercar is not, and Cochrane is famously on record denying any responsibility towards lower levels of the sport.

Those big stadia are a facility in use by many. Those big street circuits are not.

All that having been said, how hard would it be to be less combative towards some critics when rewards could be there?

The flip side of that is to doubt Cochrane's style of management is to doubt Cochrane himself. How much pain is worth all the other things Cochrane brings to the sport? So far all an sundry seem more than happy with the balance.

Thunder1 · 19 Dec 2010, 10:18 (Ref:2806247)

The comparison with the Football World Cup and V8 Supercar that's being the latest hype from the powers, must mean it's bigger than Ben Hur so the money must be rolling in.

It would be great for all those UN paid officials and volunteers to get a small slice as without them there's no racing.

**GTRMagic** · 20 Dec 2010, 00:54 (Ref:2806381)

Corporate tent? Most excellent. How abput permanrnt facilities? I sat in the Freightliner tent with WGR at Oran Park, and it was a tent...

There has always been some level of corporate hospitality, but nowhere the size currently. Does this suggest the corporates are interested in the sport perhaps?

Or is that a bad thing too?

eduardo1 · 20 Dec 2010, 02:12 (Ref:2806400)

Peter's been on an anti-V8 crusade for 15 years. He never really got over the Super Tourers losing the 'war'. His problem is that over the years the crusade has simply become more and more fanatical.

I like Peter, know him personally and agree with a lot of what he writes. But there's no mistaking that everything V8 is written with a negative slant. He's almost like a political opposition party - argue against everything.

V8SA have been pigs in their treatment of him at times - but it has to be said that if there's no chance of having anything positive or even balanced in his coverage of their events - why should they make an effort towards him.

As far as the 'taxpayer cost' - the difference between infrastructure for sporting codes and the temporary facilities for street races - the cost of permanent stadiums, race tracks etc are absorbed over decades and generally return a profit and are multi-sport and often multi-use (ie: Rock concerts). The facilities are often used for corporate events etc, so there are multi-revenue streams.

Street races are recurring costs for events that very rarely return an operational profit.

Traditionally, the economic stimulus of having a major event has made the annual cost worthwhile for certain events - Clipsal and, in years gone by, Indy are excellent examples.

Amaroo Park · 27 Dec 2010, 07:21 (Ref:2808712)

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Originally Posted by eduardo1

Peter's been on an anti-V8 crusade for 15 years. He never really got over the Super Tourers losing the 'war'. His problem is that over the years the crusade has simply become more and more fanatical.

I like Peter, know him personally and agree with a lot of what he writes. But there's no mistaking that everything V8 is written with a negative slant. He's almost like a political opposition party - argue against everything..

Couldnt agree more. I have little time for Cochroach and his band of merry lemmings sitting up there in V8 HQ on the Gold Coast. BUt there is some good things about the sport and things that need fixing

redesp · 22 Dec 2010, 20:35 (Ref:2807517)

OR.... was the intent of the article to use "disingenuous" in a sentence..

Maybe PmcK is just working through his "word of the day" calendar.

Can't wait for him to use Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanokoniosis or Antidisestablishmentarianism or even TWYNDYLLYNGS (longest word without vowels)

Driver TBA · 22 Dec 2010, 21:00 (Ref:2807525)

And people call James Phelps biased! The tripe that McKay dishes out makes Phelps's stuff look like hard hitting journalism.
This blokes has had a bee in his bonnet over the catagory since 1992, it was ramped up when the 2 litres disappeared and the loud mouthed TC appeared. Your never going to get a well balanced article from McKay.

Whenever I read some of his pieces (anything non V8 is usally very good) I can't help picturing an angry little kid running home with the bat and ball after being bowled out.

D.R.T. · 22 Dec 2010, 22:21 (Ref:2807547)

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Originally Posted by Driver TBA

And people call James Phelps biased! The tripe that McKay dishes out makes Phelps's stuff look like hard hitting journalism.

You are kidding aren't you?

Whether you agree with McKay or not (would be interested to know if you disagree with his latest article) at least he is writing his own articles rather than reprinting the V8SA press releases - not sure they qualify for 'hard hitting' journalism

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