IMSA Race 2017 12 Hours of Sebring - Page 14

chernaudi · 18 Mar 2017, 20:35 (Ref:3719783)

Blame Cosworth's electronics. There seems to be a reason why all the DPI teams are using Bosch or someone else's ECU and electronics suites.

That means that unless they sort the issues, Kolles will be on an island of their own in the rankings unless their car continues to self-immolate.

Damian Baldi · 18 Mar 2017, 20:44 (Ref:3719784)

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Originally Posted by jimclark

Some don't quite understand endurance racing....

There is nothing to understand. Cars got suddenly stop by software issues. There is no strategy, speed doesn't matter, no tyres management, no pit bids. I drive virtual cars myself in endurance races, 6, 8, 12 and 24 hs with my team mates, and believe me there is more action there than at this race.

jimclark · 18 Mar 2017, 20:47 (Ref:3719785)

See post 322.

Damian Baldi · 18 Mar 2017, 20:50 (Ref:3719786)

The best thing that could happen to this race, is that a PC takes the win. That will make some justice to the event.

jimclark · 18 Mar 2017, 20:51 (Ref:3719788)

Psssttt...a well kept secret these days (apparently)...the key word in endurance racing is endurance

FormulaFox · 18 Mar 2017, 20:55 (Ref:3719789)

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Originally Posted by jimclark

Psssttt...a well kept secret these days (apparently)...the key word in endurance racing is endurance

Yup. The point of endurance racing is that your car has to be reliable to win. It can't just be fast. Why some people don't get this is beyond me.

RWill2073 · 18 Mar 2017, 20:55 (Ref:3719790)

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Originally Posted by Damian Baldi

There is nothing to understand. Cars got suddenly stop by software issues. There is no strategy, speed doesn't matter, no tyres management, no pit bids. I drive virtual cars myself in endurance races, 6, 8, 12 and 24 hs with my team mates, and believe me there is more action there than at this race.

I too expect real life to be as action packed as a video game....

This is more like real endurance racing than we've seen for years.

At this point, just look at caddy as Audi and the rest as intersport/dyson, etc.... Some may be a bit faster or at least competiitive, but none of them can stay out there.

Btw, I stepped out for a little while. What happened to the 22?

Starfish Primer · 18 Mar 2017, 20:55 (Ref:3719791)

Those Nascar guys from North Carolina know how to build a good engine. Carroll Shelby knew it too in the 60s.

I like the racing now, the game between AX and WTR is going fine. In GTLM seems Ford business but who knows what Risi and Corvette can do in the next hours.

RWill2073 · 18 Mar 2017, 20:59 (Ref:3719792)

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Originally Posted by TzeiTzei

It's like no one else but Cadillac has bothered to test their machinery before going to the races.

This right here is why premature bop worries me. Its clear who has worked the hardest to have their car reeady. Ok, so they sandbagged prior to Daytona. But at this point, if bop allowed a Nissan or Mazda (lol) to win after one month of "development", it would be a farce. And the 85 is still within reach with some luck or attrition. Kind of how Acura or Honda dyson would sometimes be if something happened to the audis.

seanyb505 · 18 Mar 2017, 21:02 (Ref:3719793)

Risi has climbed its way to podium contention, I don't see their overall pace being enough to actually deal with the Fords.

jimclark · 18 Mar 2017, 21:03 (Ref:3719794)

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Originally Posted by RWill2073

This is more like real endurance racing than we've seen for years.

Exactly.

I take it you missed Le Mans last year....4 lousy more minutes for Toyota.....

RWill2073 · 18 Mar 2017, 21:04 (Ref:3719795)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

Yup. The point of endurance racing is that your car has to be reliable to win. It can't just be fast. Why some people don't get this is beyond me.

Back in 2006 when I was at sebring, Audi won, intersport in a p2 finished 2nd overall and a gt1 corvette finished 3rd overall. Who knew I wasn't actually watching endurance racing?........

jimclark · 18 Mar 2017, 21:06 (Ref:3719796)

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Originally Posted by seanyb505

Risi has climbed its way to podium contention, I don't see their overall pace being enough to actually deal with the Fords.

You're right. however, 5 1/2 to go.

RWill2073 · 18 Mar 2017, 21:06 (Ref:3719797)

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Originally Posted by jimclark

Exactly.

I take it you missed Le Mans last year....4 lousy more minutes for Toyota.....

I got fs1'd. Recorded it to watch later because I had to be somewhere, avoided hearing the end, went to watch my dvr of the race and found that it had been preempted for golf. Thanks, fs1........ But yeah, that must not have been endurance racing..... Lol.

RWill2073 · 18 Mar 2017, 21:08 (Ref:3719798)

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Originally Posted by seanyb505

Risi has climbed its way to podium contention, I don't see their overall pace being enough to actually deal with the Fords.

Sounded like the Porsches were holding something back and may have had something for them, then one has trouble. Damn endurance racing.....

Damian Baldi · 18 Mar 2017, 21:11 (Ref:3719799)

Endurance is to know your car performance with different tyre compounds (if there are more than one), to know the car's fuel consumption with different mixture setting or boost settings. Then build a strategy with base on that information and make your drivers to stick to it and hope it pay off at the end of the race.

This is just be lucky to don't get an issue. Two cars of teh same kind on the leaders lap after five hours is too poor IMO.

jimclark · 18 Mar 2017, 21:13 (Ref:3719800)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

Strange question-why does the sweeper push the Hobbs 'clag' into the center of the track and not off the course? Clag? Clagg? Klag? Klagg? I'm off to the corner now.

hey sky... Maybe it's because it's easier than trying to pull it there...

RWill2073 · 18 Mar 2017, 21:16 (Ref:3719801)

Is Miller the pay driver for the 85? He's getting passed by gt's and the 70 Mazda.

jimclark · 18 Mar 2017, 21:18 (Ref:3719802)

Somethings up.... He was holding his own quite well earlier.

airbusA346 · 18 Mar 2017, 21:22 (Ref:3719804)

Rear wing on the #28 Porsche looks broken/out of shape.

GriffM3 · 18 Mar 2017, 21:29 (Ref:3719805)

BMW blows

jimclark · 18 Mar 2017, 21:32 (Ref:3719806)

This is a family board so i won't touch that.....

carbsmith · 18 Mar 2017, 21:34 (Ref:3719807)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Blame Cosworth's electronics. There seems to be a reason why all the DPI teams are using Bosch or someone else's ECU and electronics suites.

That means that unless they sort the issues, Kolles will be on an island of their own in the rankings unless their car continues to self-immolate.

The Cadillacs use Cosworth electronics and are the only DPi with any semblance of reliability.

TF110 · 18 Mar 2017, 21:35 (Ref:3719808)

The GT classes are holding my interest right now. Prototype is a given Cadillac win unless they are incompetent (they're not). Their cars are the only ones reliable and they're faster than everyone. It would be a good race up front if the other dpi teams were allowed more testing. But that's restricted by the rules too. Maybe next race will be different. But that's what a lot of us said after Daytona. Seems like GM ponied up the support and got the best deal on the regs. Didn't their dpi test before the generic Dallara lmp2? If so it's not a surprise they're the front runners.

jimclark · 18 Mar 2017, 21:39 (Ref:3719810)

'Looks that way but it ain't over 'til it's over...

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