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OULTON PARK GOLD CUP (HSCC)
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26 Aug 2017 to 28 Aug 2017 07:00 to 19:00
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Location: Oulton Park

The annual HSCC 3 day bank holiday meeting. A round of the Jaguar Challenge will be included. Be prepared for slow trip home if staying for Monday...

And speaking of Monday, it will include a race for MRL HTCC and TDT touring cars.
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Old 29 Aug 2017, 16:17 (Ref:3762652)   #61
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Very enjoyable meeting, apart from the out of control feral kids running amok in the campsite.
Good weather, most grids were of a good size and quality and the circuit is a joy to wander and spectate. Car club area was full and there were plenty of public about there and trackside.
Not sure what the WW2 and US Civil war displays were about though.
M6/M5/M4 were kind on both journeys, always a bonus
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Attended Monday. Flickr album will be added to over the next few days, but early entries include Messrs delta, Mallett and Ernst.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsm3b8A6X
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Very enjoyable meeting, apart from the out of control feral kids running amok in the campsite.
Good weather, most grids were of a good size and quality and the circuit is a joy to wander and spectate. Car club area was full and there were plenty of public about there and trackside.
Not sure what the WW2 and US Civil war displays were about though.
M6/M5/M4 were kind on both journeys, always a bonus

I think the military displays were mainly about the participants having fun...

fascinating spelling in some of the German signage
"Eintracht Verboten !"
translates to "Unity forbitten"
they were aiming for
"Eintritt verboten"
which means "dont enter !"

on the other hand
the vehicles had some very informative placards displayed
learned a lot - about the German ones...

RuE

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Attended Monday. Flickr album will be added to over the next few days, but early entries include Messrs delta, Mallett and Ernst.

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Excellent, thank you David.
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Wonderful racing, classic car show and dry sunny weather. Thoroughly enjoyed chatting to Ian, Nick, Peter and many other drivers and mechanics, all happy to share their enthusiasm for great cars. Camera expired on Sunday afternoon, a few photos attached.
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Dangerous track limit marker

Not for the first time this track limit marker at Oulton Park has caused damage to a valuable car. Is it fair play, or should it be replaced, and if so, with what? Images copyright www.retro-speed.co.uk
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Not for the first time this track limit marker at Oulton Park has caused damage to a valuable car. Is it fair play, or should it be replaced, and if so, with what? Images copyright www.retro-speed.co.uk
Peter, from just looking at your pictures, my opinion, not that it's worth much, is that if drivers observed the track limits they wouldn't have problems.

However, this is not just their fault. The blame must also be shared by the FIA and other local racing authorities, such as the MSA, for permitting drivers to not keep their cars between the white lines. Part of the skill set that a racing driver should possess is the ability to drive quickly between objects without hitting them.
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Peter, from just looking at your pictures, my opinion, not that it's worth much, is that if drivers observed the track limits they wouldn't have problems.

However, this is not just their fault. The blame must also be shared by the FIA and other local racing authorities, such as the MSA, for permitting drivers to not keep their cars between the white lines. Part of the skill set that a racing driver should possess is the ability to drive quickly between objects without hitting them.
Agreed. But there must be other methods to record track limit indiscretion?
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Agreed. But there must be other methods to record track limit indiscretion?
It's quite easy; award meaningful penalties. At the drivers' briefing, CoC would tell them that drivers will respect track limits, and a first infringement will attract a 30 seconds penalty, and a second incident will result in the car being excluded from the race.

Then the drivers will stop hitting objects that are placed there to try to enforce track limits, because currently there is no real deterrent.

Easy-peasy.
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Yes, easy. But in France and Spa for instance during the briefing all drivers are advised they must have at least 2 wheels on the track any time. I dont say its a good rule but its the way we must play the game.
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Yes, easy. But in France and Spa for instance during the briefing all drivers are advised they must have at least 2 wheels on the track any time. I dont say its a good rule but its the way we must play the game.
Gerard, I'm an old fashioned chap, and I believe that white lines around racing circuits indicate the limits of the track. And that drivers should keep all 4 wheels inside of those lines. In very much the same way that when we drive on the road, we have to stay within certain parts of the road. We cannot, for example, drive with two wheels on the pavement (also known as a sidewalk) because it might be a quicker route. If we are seen by the police, we will be probably be prosecuted and quite rightly.

Any more than we are allowed to hit traffic islands because they are in the way of the line that we wish to take.

As I wrote in answer to Peter Baker, the fault really lies with the FIA that permits this type of driving. They should stamp it out.

But, as I say, I'm just an old fuddy duddy.
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Probably slightly OT - but it annoys me when EffWun drivers routinely get away with track limits violations that would see lesser mortals summoned to the CoC with likely penalties.

At the Belgian GP they were apparently told that they would be observed at Radillon but that seemed to give them licence to ignore the limits anywhere else on the circuit...
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Mike, I'm old fashioned too, no problem with that. The rule of "2wheels only" sounds stupid if it applies all time. We could imagine that one can drive a full race with only one half of the car on the track. Rather odd, is it?
But we are in the region of "incidentally" or a strictly applied rule, each corner each lap. This involves not only the CoC but the marshals first (chef de poste who have to report during the race of right after. Not a piece of cake.
Old as now I am or young as we use to be, no-one likes to be overtaken by a chap using a wider track with no penalty. In France, bad examples can be found on Dijon and Ricard tracks I feel.
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Looking at retrognome's picture of the Surtees one has to wonder if the incident was caused by a car problem of some sort rather than a deliberate attempt at corner cutting.

If do the outcome looks like a high risk H&S matter perhaps somewhat excessive in effect for the type of occurrence it was intended to prevent given the type of racing involved.

Now for a modern, professional BTCC type race one might argue that hitting such an obstacle is not unreasonable (unless it is very recently deposited on track by another competitor) but in an Historic amateur event one might question the purpose of that particular kind of obstacle.
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