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Old 7 Sep 2014, 08:55 (Ref:3450933)   #26
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Alan Gow everybody...

"Ah, the good old conspiracy theory.

It's utter nonsense and I can only imagine that any person who accuses the BTCC/TOCA of bias is almost totally ignorant of the judicial process;

If a driver or team receives a penalty from the BTCC Clerk of Course and feels that the penalty is unfair, they have every right to lodge an appeal to the MSA Stewards. These MSA Stewards work totally independently of the BTCC and are not even the same Stewards at each event - they are appointed by the MSA from a pool of suitably qualified Stewards.

When the Stewards hold an appeal-hearing the BTCC Clerk of Course (or any BTCC officials or TOCA personnel) play no role in it and do not even attend the appeal hearing. Only the drivers involved, and their team managers, attend. Thus if the MSA Stewards decide to reject or uphold the appeal, that is a decision made entirely by them and without any input whatsoever from the BTCC officials.

So, for the 'biased' conspiracy theory to work, the BTCC Clerk of Course would give a penalty to the driver fully knowing that the driver would then appeal the decision and that the MSA Stewards were in on the conspiracy and thus overturn that decision - therefore ending up with the driver receiving no penalty when in fact he was originally given one by the BTCC officials!

Clearly, it's utter nonsense - but more than that, it is actually offensive towards the senior Officials and Stewards who take those decisions and devote their (unpaid) time and energies to our sport."

Now let's go racing...
I don't want to buy into the conspiracy theory and I'm not as negative on Plato as some people, however something doesn't look right here. The fact that Alan Gow had to issue such a statement means that I'm not alone in that view. The MSA, TOCA, Alan Gow etc... may want to appear to be completely unconnected but they do share a common vested interest in the championship going to the wire AND in having Plato in with a shout for the crown.
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 08:57 (Ref:3450934)   #27
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I'm not convinced by the conspiracy theory but it does seem that the consistency levels vary depending on the championship!
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 09:38 (Ref:3450941)   #28
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The fact that Alan Gow had to issue such a statement means that I'm not alone in that view.
He didn't 'issue the statement', it's a reply to a question on the BTCC.net forum
http://www.btccforum.net/forum/showt...ations-of-Bias

As already alluded to, it was a pretty pointless question with a very predictable answer.
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 09:46 (Ref:3450944)   #29
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Even if the huge conspiracy theory was true, what answer would you expect from Alan Gow?!
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Even if the huge conspiracy theory was true, what answer would you expect from Alan Gow?!
"Curses! And I would have got away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!"
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 10:03 (Ref:3450952)   #31
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The thing is he hasn't told us what excuse, sorry reason, the officials gave for overturning the penalty.
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 10:25 (Ref:3450962)   #32
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ITV just showed the footage

Plato was at least over a car lengh behind Austin, noway near to launch a torpedo dive....

footage speaks for itself
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 10:45 (Ref:3450963)   #33
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Notably there's no mention of conspiracy or complaints about the ruling (and methods) in the paddock.

Perhaps that's because the same process is available to everyone, and perhaps they've benefitted from it in the past?
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 10:49 (Ref:3450965)   #34
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Plato up his dirty tricks again on Shedden
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 11:09 (Ref:3450972)   #35
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Great race, Turkington a true champion without TOCA favoritism ..


good race for Menu, his best result this season ,

glimpses of the old GIO back !!! and rather dissster for all Hondas...
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 11:17 (Ref:3450974)   #36
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The Plato/Shedden incident looked to me as a racing incident, unlike everything done by Rob Austin. Jack Goff drove a mighty defensive drive in the end.

Plato, however, is talking crap right now to Steve...
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 11:19 (Ref:3450975)   #37
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Plato, however, is talking crap right now to Steve...
yeah

no other RWD car finished inside top 10 !!! only Turks at front

so much for RWD advantage, maybe its cos Turks is a really world class driver !!
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 11:19 (Ref:3450976)   #38
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i think we might need to say bye to Lea woods car after that as his car has a lot of damage after hitting Warren Scotts car which triggered the safety car
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 11:39 (Ref:3450979)   #39
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something else

I think this was the 1st race GIO beat Jackson on pure speed alone
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 12:00 (Ref:3450981)   #40
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Good to see the Fords finally on equal or similar pace - maybe a little bit rougher between teammates than the team would suggest was ideal, but it made for great viewing.

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Plato up his dirty tricks again on Shedden
Shedden didn't seem to see it that way, all but taking responsibility in the post race interview. And as possibly second-greatest BTCC moaner (to Mr Plato, obviously) I'm sure he'd have had something to say if he felt wronged.

I was disappointed to hear another RWD advantage moan from Plato, though. It's evident that the BMW at least is very fast, but so is Mr Turkington. Despite consistently being at the front of the grid in terms of qualifying, success ballast or not, I'd like to believe that if there was a need to 'peg back' the BMW's performance then it would have been dealt with officially.

Side note: interesting that the officials can be trusted to decide that the BMW doesn't need to be penalised, but not on matters pertaining to a Mr Plato...

Anyway. First race good, great mid-field battling as ever, and nice to see Giovanardi back up to speed. Would love to see what actually happened with Lea Wood to cause him to come at T2 backwards.
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 13:20 (Ref:3450999)   #41
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TOCA must be happy, the Hondas totally out of the picture thanks to base boost

and great driving for Turks


BTW shouldn't MG slapped with LESS boost ?
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 14:02 (Ref:3451016)   #42
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That Porsche race was just bizarre!
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 16:13 (Ref:3451051)   #43
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great result for Austin and Menu !!!

and Turks further outscoring Plato

rather sterile race 3 with not that much passing

utter disaster for Dynamics, they were the big loser this weekend
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Would love to see what actually happened with Lea Wood to cause him to come at T2 backwards.
Apparently he got a tap from behind - Moffat I think.
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Apparently he got a tap from behind - Moffat I think.
It was Moffat.
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 16:49 (Ref:3451059)   #46
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in Plato's defense I must say that Louise was provoking him to moan about RWD..
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TOCA must be happy, the Hondas totally out of the picture thanks to base boost

and great driving for Turks


BTW shouldn't MG slapped with LESS boost ?
Why would TOCA be happy?
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 19:26 (Ref:3451092)   #48
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done the maths,

Turks extended his lead from 23 to a whooping 55 points

now if Turks can further extended his lead to 82 points at the end of Silverstone he can be crowned right there champion , realistically 75 points would be perfectly enough to just cruise in race 1 Brands in a top 10 finish

as for Shedden unless he gets a real boost increase his title hopes are over


seems EBAY will outdo even Honda racing by wining 4 of the titles instead of just 3 ..

- driver titles
- teams titles (this one is really certain)
- indy driver
- indy team

http://www.tsl-timing.com/toca/2014/143603ptstrg.pdf


BTW is it just me or is Matt Neal a shadow of his former self from back of 2011-2012 ???

even today he had 0 ballast and Shedden with 36 kg still did a much better job ? it's pattern since 2-3 years now with him

maybe he got old, his motivation is gone or a combination of this factors ,

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Three great drives by Colin this weekend and thanks to that he should have championship in the bag by the end of Silverstone.
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Old 7 Sep 2014, 20:36 (Ref:3451108)   #50
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Me and other people have been saying that about Neal for a while. Whilst it is surprising in some ways, Neal's career is one of the most illustrious in touring cars, and Knockhill proved he still has it in him to win. Whilst he may no longer be a title contender, he will almost certainly be remembered as one of the greatest touring car drivers of his generation, if not ever.

He's been (literally) a giant of the sport for a while now, and maybe with the likes of Turks returning, AJ winning, and Ingram, Smith, etc rising up, it's about time we saw new faces right up front!
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