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Old 27 Nov 2016, 14:01 (Ref:3691388)   #176
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Alan Gow doesn't want that.
Eh, they seemed quite ready to license it to STCC before the split.
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 14:49 (Ref:3691405)   #177
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Eh, they seemed quite ready to license it to STCC before the split.
STCC has tried the rules NGTC, it wasn't cheaper than S2000 TC2. Therefore more nobody has become interested in NGTC, it too expensive. Is almost twice more expensive, than TCR now.
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 14:52 (Ref:3691409)   #178
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What a worthless managment Eurosport Events have...
2019 - only Class One cars
Transition to "Class One" meanwhile isn't confirmed in any way, FIA and Eurosport only investigate interest in this direction. And no more than that.
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 15:09 (Ref:3691417)   #179
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Eh, they seemed quite ready to license it to STCC before the split.
Well "doesn't want" is maybe to harsh but not really persuade others to use NGTC. And he has said he doesn't want WTCC using NGTC.
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 21:30 (Ref:3691541)   #180
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i doubt there will be more than 14 TC1 cars next year, we'll see:
3 JAS Honda
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maybe 1-2 Civic and 1-2 Cruze.

but how many TCN2 cars? which team would join if you have other (and better) championships to race? sure WTCC gets more attention, but who would spend money to drive in a second class? remember 2014 with the TC2 class? more than 30 cars available but only 3-4 entries at every round.
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 23:04 (Ref:3691566)   #181
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but how many TCN2 cars? which team would join if you have other (and better) championships to race? sure WTCC gets more attention, but who would spend money to drive in a second class? remember 2014 with the TC2 class? more than 30 cars available but only 3-4 entries at every round.
TC2 class was very expensive. The season costs the same as in a season of 2013. But participants of TC2 had even no chances of points in offset of independent. Therefore there were no persons interested.
Participation on the TCR/TCN2 cars will cost time in two cheaper. Persons interested will be: in TCR International now the high competition, and in WTCC will be more chances of success.
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 23:13 (Ref:3691568)   #182
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and in WTCC will be more chances of success.
is it really worth the money winning a second class race with a few opponents? if i had to choose i would race in TCR int. Series.
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 23:13 (Ref:3691569)   #183
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I can TCR being like the 2 litre class in the 1990 BTCC, in that it is prelude to being the main series
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 23:30 (Ref:3691574)   #184
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The idea of adding TCN2 is terribly bad and I reckon that they came up with it only because of sort of desperation, knowing that WTCC is in a poor shape.
I've never enjoyed the idea of running two classes in one championship and here won't be any different. I wonder how many TCR entries will be in WTCC and what for these entries will be as it's much better to drive in TCR International than act as a second tier in WTCC.
I would say M. Lotti - F. Ribeiro is now 1:0
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 07:11 (Ref:3691647)   #185
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Well "doesn't want" is maybe to harsh but not really persuade others to use NGTC. And he has said he doesn't want WTCC using NGTC.
I thought it was just a case that he's happy for other series to use NGTC but if they're not, he's not going to force the issue.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 07:32 (Ref:3691655)   #186
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If Volvo would agree to just built a TCR car, we would probably looking at an exciting 2017 season since Honda have their TCR car ready.

Class One will never happen, the question remains how WTCC and TCRIS will (or wont) manage to run side by side with the same ruleset.

BTW, I´m still not convinced that NGTC is actually faster then TCR. If so, then not by much.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 10:09 (Ref:3691689)   #187
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I just hope that the Fia and Eurosport events support and maybe even invest in the privateers running Honda's and Chevy's .
So that they can keep up with the factory teams and (next season) verry strong private Citroen's.
Than we could see a "normal" field.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 10:25 (Ref:3691694)   #188
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If Volvo would agree to just built a TCR car, we would probably looking at an exciting 2017 season since Honda have their TCR car ready.
Volvo doesn't consider the possibility of construction of the TCR car, before emergence of new suitable model. And it will be at least in two years, not earlier.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 12:24 (Ref:3691732)   #189
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Witch new manufacterer would you Guy's like to see in WTCC TC1?
I'd like to see Skoda/vw group or Kia as TC1.
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Witch new manufacterer would you Guy's like to see in WTCC TC1?
I'd like to see Skoda/vw group or Kia as TC1.
Not gonna happen. And IMHO that's for the better. The sooner they can end this TC1-failed experiment, the sooner we will get back to a sensible and viable rule set.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 16:53 (Ref:3691817)   #191
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Not gonna happen. And IMHO that's for the better. The sooner they can end this TC1-failed experiment, the sooner we will get back to a sensible and viable rule set.
I know... but that was not the question...
It was more a what if...
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 17:43 (Ref:3691829)   #192
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Ribeiro should quit if tcn2 really enter in the field. The tc1 has failed. To make enter citroen in wtcc they adopted this ridiculous upgrade loosing 90% of indipendent teams and cars. Now citroen won 3 title against noone and they said goodbye and ribeiro doesn't have citroen and neither indipendent teams! Its obvious that future of wtcc can be just introducing tcr to replace all actual models.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 19:06 (Ref:3691854)   #193
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Volvo doesn't consider the possibility of construction of the TCR car, before emergence of new suitable model. And it will be at least in two years, not earlier.
Whats wrong with the V40?
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 19:12 (Ref:3691856)   #194
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Nothing but production ends in short future.
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Nothing but production ends in short future.
They just facelifted it this year...

The S60 they use in TC1 is a couple years older and far less competitive in it's segment than the V40 is, so I don't buy the stated excuses.

Honda built the Civic TCR based on a car that is being replaced the year after the TCR debuted, Volvo can do the same even if the V40 will be replaced in the next two years (which I'm still skeptical of).

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It will be, the first concepts of its successor have already been shown.
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Old 29 Nov 2016, 11:56 (Ref:3692043)   #197
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V40 ends his days on the Assembly line. Besides, this car has always been Volvo's compromise solution, selling it is weak. Released actually only that something was in the niche of the Golf class. Unloved child.
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They just facelifted it this year...

The S60 they use in TC1 is a couple years older and far less competitive in it's segment than the V40 is, so I don't buy the stated excuses.

Honda built the Civic TCR based on a car that is being replaced the year after the TCR debuted, Volvo can do the same even if the V40 will be replaced in the next two years (which I'm still skeptical of).
S60 will be on the line for at least another two to three years. For the V40 next year latest.
In addition it should be understood that the Volvo Polestar always very critical of the client program. Even in STCC they were not interested to build and sell customers race cars, there was only a couple of exceptions. I think they generally don't consider such option, and for this reason we will not see private S60 TC1.
The Volvo is a completely different approach than Honda. In 2007, Volvo has almost blocked the funding Polestar in STCC, as they saw no point in advertising old S60. If Dahl not found "green" financing(E85), the team would have missed the season. But next year there is a new C30, the Volvo immediately made a big budget. As needed publicity. In 2012, the C30 was discontinued, it was one of the reasons why Volvo has refused to participate in WTCC-2012.
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V40 ends his days on the Assembly line. Besides, this car has always been Volvo's compromise solution, selling it is weak. Released actually only that something was in the niche of the Golf class. Unloved child.


S60 will be on the line for at least another two to three years. For the V40 next year latest.
In addition it should be understood that the Volvo Polestar always very critical of the client program. Even in STCC they were not interested to build and sell customers race cars, there was only a couple of exceptions. I think they generally don't consider such option, and for this reason we will not see private S60 TC1.
The Volvo is a completely different approach than Honda. In 2007, Volvo has almost blocked the funding Polestar in STCC, as they saw no point in advertising old S60. If Dahl not found "green" financing(E85), the team would have missed the season. But next year there is a new C30, the Volvo immediately made a big budget. As needed publicity. In 2012, the C30 was discontinued, it was one of the reasons why Volvo has refused to participate in WTCC-2012.
Great insight, thank you.
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