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Epic. So Massa's actual comment was: "better not to comment" Given Williams got a restraining order against Jaques, I think Massa's approach is fully justified, why does he need this in his life? http://iforsports.com/williams-impos...raining-order/ I think that S. Griffin's comment above about says it all: "I think there would have been areas where he couldn’t have not learned from Massa, especially in debriefs. Learning from someone better often makes you better." |
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a grown-up would have ignored it. the important people know the truth, whatever that may be, and that’s all that matters.
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I'm getting the impression you have a lesser opinion of massa than the general public. I am curious as to why. There has been something about him that has had me wonder if the general view of him as a great guy was a little off the mark. I don't want to bash him baselessly, but I was wondering if you could expand on your opinion of him as someone who I take it is involved in the sport and may have greater insight.
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Stroll is not a bad driver, but he seems to want things too much his own way and seems Williams are doing it for him, no doubt because he pays the bills, although his talent does need to be harnessed
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Stroll needs to deliver this year, if not then he simply is not good enough
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On his day, Stroll was good. At the end of the season, the time when you would expect him to be at his best and most settled, he put in a couple of abysmal performances.
Back in the day, new drivers would be given the benefit of the doubt for the first season or two. However in recent seasons, we have had teenagers come in and smash it pretty much straight away, which kind of leaves us with high expectations of all new drivers. I have already mentioned on here my disappointment of Williams lineup this year. Hopefully I am proved wrong. Villeneuve seems to make a lot of derogatory comments about a lot of things. I have long since stopped giving credence to his opinion. |
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I’m feeling particularly ornery, so I’ll get this off my chest. Villeneuve is a loudmouth with a failed career behind him (post-1997) and will say whatever will get him some reportage. He was good-ish, though a dozen drivers could have won the title in the 1997 Williams. Stroll is not terrible. He’s also probably good-ish, and is doing as well as half a dozen drivers could have done in the 2017 Williams. He certainly deserves a second year in F1, but I agree he needs to step it up a bit and show he’s proper F1 material. I think he might do so. My worry is that he’ll beat Sirotkin and people will say “Yeah, but Sirotkin’s rubbish”. There are too many people, including on this forum, for whom Stroll can’t win. It’s the part of fandom that really annoys me.
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but i've always found that he does the wrong type of ~speaking out. he mouths off after an incident and never apologises for getting it wrong. this is a good example of that - he REALLY didn't need to say or do anything. and yet he did. in my opinion over the years he's cried wolf about so many incidents and issues that it makes him hard to believe. he seems to play on his holier than thou reputation a bit? to put that into context i'm also not a fan of ricciardo - he's an inverse raikkonen. both him and massa come off a bit like they're acting in a reality show to me. on the other hand i don't mind lewis - perhaps because he's a lot more transparent. stroll seems a bit too assertive, but he's shown from his f3 exploits that he may be a bit arrogant but he also learns when he needs to. it's definitely bordering on fanfiction |
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But like you, the respect he has in the paddock does say something to me. I can also see ricciardo being fake or something. Big reputation as super nice guy, but has said some negative things over the radio that came from nowhere. Also just gives off impression of someone who could cut someone down almost like a bully would but then smile and say he was joking. Except it isn't a joke to the target. Anyway.... Enough psycho analyzing or whatever from this amateur :rotate. |
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I haven't seen Ricciardo ever use dirty tactics. And also couldn't agree less with him being fake. He does it because he's a happy go lucky character who also is a serious driver
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All that said, I pull for him because I have no actual proof he is anything but one of the nicer guys in f1 and also a great racer and entertaining. I'll also stop this thread derailment now. |
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you see that with stroll - firstly he’s an issue because money eased his way through the learning formulae. then he was an issue because he was too heavy handed on track and causing a lot of drama. then when that had gone away, he was irritating because he’d been able to buy f1 tracktime. it literally never ends. and yet i can guarantee people won’t have an issue with norris, even though he has third parties running his social media, has been incredibly fortunate with tracktime but has had mclaren and most of the media creating him an identity. |
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Norris will in all likelihood get a free pass from the English speaking press... mostly. And from most of the European press too, until such time as he does something a bit daft on track or manages to lose his temper after an incident. Then we'll see the Italian media, for one, start to crucify him. They'll turn the screws, slowly, inexorably, until that bleeds out onto social media into the fandom silos. And if that doesn't happen, there'll be a growing cry on social media of "yeah, he's good but he's boring". Damned if you do, etc! |
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people filling the empty spaces for their own advancement. anyways back to Stroll...cant help but feel the negative opinion/comments people have of him would be exactly the same even if he had come out and said that Massa was his mentor. his future success would no longer be his own (due to money and and Massa's help) and his future failures would be a result of advancement through money and a lack of Massa to show him the way. there was no 'right' answer he could have given to any question about mentorship. damned if you do indeed. |
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Too many have axes to grind about Lance and I jumped to that conclusion about your post. Again, 'sorry. I think back to Jackie and Francois....good times. |
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Sorry..I quite enjoy ex racers gobbing off about current drivers...
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