Panoz to return to LMP1 - Page 5

Fogelhund · 30 Mar 2009, 19:06 (Ref:2429215)

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Originally Posted by Hugewally

Acura isn't going anywhere...

This year.............

CTD · 30 Mar 2009, 19:21 (Ref:2429230)

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Originally Posted by Hugewally

The drawing that Dr P showed me looked nothing like a Corvette by any stretch of the imagination.

Uh!, how did it look then!?

ger80 · 30 Mar 2009, 19:25 (Ref:2429235)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Let's just speculate:
Acura says "we need some competition in 2010 else we are outta here"
Audi says "we have to wait and see, can't promise anything right now"
Panoz says: "Listen up, Acura, I'll provide you with some credible competition."

If all of these three are true - I don't say that they are - he's stopping the total collapse of the LMP-category, which is probably the most important issue for ALMS at the moment.

Think after yesterdays F1 race they will not quit any series for some time

Hugewally · 30 Mar 2009, 19:46 (Ref:2429254)

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Originally Posted by CTD

Uh!, how did it look then!?

As i said before, think of the GRID GTP stepped on.

Fogelhund · 30 Mar 2009, 20:13 (Ref:2429271)

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Originally Posted by Hugewally

As i said before, think of the GRID GTP stepped on.

Got a link to a pic? Tried google, came up blank.

CTD · 30 Mar 2009, 20:24 (Ref:2429281)

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/off-...-and-20-a.html
Is it one of the "prototypes" here? (not the P1's)

**joeb** · 30 Mar 2009, 20:26 (Ref:2429284)

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Originally Posted by ger80

Think after yesterdays F1 race they will not quit any series for some time

I had that some thought!

Hugewally · 30 Mar 2009, 20:39 (Ref:2429291)

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Originally Posted by CTD

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/off-...-and-20-a.html
Is it one of the "prototypes" here? (not the P1's)

No. Thats a street version of the old GTP...

Hugewally · 30 Mar 2009, 20:41 (Ref:2429294)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Got a link to a pic? Tried google, came up blank.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-10-17-012.jpg

CTD · 30 Mar 2009, 20:45 (Ref:2429298)

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Originally Posted by Hugewally

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-10-17-012.jpg

So it will be a mix of that and the elderly Lmp1? (according to Panoz sketch?)

Speed-King · 30 Mar 2009, 20:48 (Ref:2429300)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Got a link to a pic? Tried google, came up blank.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-04-20-007.jpg

I can however not imagine how this would look in a front-engined configuration...

CTD · 30 Mar 2009, 20:57 (Ref:2429312)

Heres a lot of pics!
http://www.racingsportscars.com/make/photo/Grid.html
But i imagine it very much like the Panoz Lmp1!, with more advanced aerodynamics!.
And perhaps with the new "thru the car instead of over and around" the car aerodynamics, the front engine could be an advantage!?

Hugewally · 30 Mar 2009, 21:43 (Ref:2429345)

Not a single styling cue from the Panoz LMP1 (except where the engine is).

DanJR1 · 31 Mar 2009, 10:36 (Ref:2429659)

hugewally, any estimated date for a debut? (either on paper or track)

Hugewally · 31 Mar 2009, 13:17 (Ref:2429776)

Never (IMO)

deggis · 18 Jun 2009, 11:30 (Ref:2485853)

Autosprint (check mariantic.co.uk/lmp) has revived the rumour.

deggis · 18 Jun 2009, 12:31 (Ref:2485878)

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Originally Posted by deggis

Autosprint (check mariantic.co.uk/lmp) has revived the rumour.

Ooops mistake, actually Autosport

**joeb** · 18 Jun 2009, 13:25 (Ref:2485911)

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Originally Posted by deggis

Autosprint (check mariantic.co.uk/lmp) has revived the rumour.

That is interesting. From what I gather from the forums and the Bear and such I thought that the Panoz group or Elan Motorsports had laid off a sizable number of people. So does that mean someone else has been contracted to do the build? or will they be hiring?

fieldodreams79 · 18 Jun 2009, 14:58 (Ref:2485944)

i can't see how this will happen financially, either.
roadATL has been hurting for money for a few years as is Panoz/Elan...(i blame the IRL, but that is for (an)other thread(s) somewhere else).
i still am optimistic about any new car to the series, especially this one.
as usual, seeing is the only way of believing.

jab · 18 Jun 2009, 20:02 (Ref:2486082)

Here's the (brief) article from Autosport itself

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Panoz LMP1 Delayed
The first race for the new Chevrolet-powered Panoz LMP1 has been set back to the Sebring 12 Hours next March. The car, dubbed the Abruzzo [surely typo - Abruzzi?] Panoz, is unlikely to make its debut on butanol ecofuel

WMUCarGuy · 18 Jun 2009, 23:26 (Ref:2486210)

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Originally Posted by jab

Here's the (brief) article from Autosport itself

The Abruzzi was Panoz' supposed new road car that has supposedly now been in development for like 5+ years, despite no one really knowing anything about it...

I love Panoz, and I'd love to see another Panoz LMP, but I just can't see it happening right now...

Félix · 19 Jun 2009, 00:04 (Ref:2486257)

what's so hard to understand? front engine will NOT work with the current regulations. The distance between the rear wing and the now huge rollover structure is too small, among other things.

They were thinking of putting their V8 in a Courage in 2005... now that's what they should have done or be looking at doing!

HORNDAWG · 19 Jun 2009, 00:24 (Ref:2486271)

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Originally Posted by Félix

what's so hard to understand? front engine will NOT work with the current regulations. The distance between the rear wing and the now huge rollover structure is too small, among other things.

And the World was flat, until someone proved otherwise.

L.P.

MulsanneMike · 19 Jun 2009, 01:21 (Ref:2486294)

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Originally Posted by Félix

what's so hard to understand? front engine will NOT work with the current regulations. The distance between the rear wing and the now huge rollover structure is too small, among other things.

They were thinking of putting their V8 in a Courage in 2005... now that's what they should have done or be looking at doing!

Don't know if I'd go so far as to say it won't work...it would certainly be a challenge. It most certainly won't work in a closed top car drawn to the existing regulations. With a purpose built open top car there are some potentially clever things you can do that have come to light since the LMP07 that would be very controversial but perhaps make it work a little better. With Acura going the wide fronts route, there also might be an added bonus there given tire development. One thing the Panoz LMP1 always needed was a bespoke front tire to maximize the benefits of a forward weight balance. With Acura already out there effectively creating a forward weight balanced car with a mid-engine layout, there could be benefits to be reaped. But, if Panoz takes the old LMP1 and does what I've heard they're going to do, well, I don't want to add my own commentary to that.

And regarding the Abruzzi...off an on last year I was involved in creating design studies for Don just for this project so I'm oddly/uniquely positioned to comment on it. I haven't said much given the obvious concerns about confidentiality, etc. So understand I'm being restrained though ultimately I wonder why I bother, all the pieces are out in the public domain at this point if not connected. Ultimately my drawings amounted to little more than something to have there in front of everyone to discuss and there was little substance to it all. Though for quite some time I was most certainly the only one in the organization that was actually working on it. And if you're wondering, that's not a good thing for a project of this potential complexity...

**joeb** · 19 Jun 2009, 02:25 (Ref:2486315)

So Coupe or Spyder? Is a 10 year old design as a grid filler better or worse than a gt3 porsche?

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