Grp C/Grp A/V8SC 'Where are they now?' continued... - Page 152

anthony81901 · 22 Jul 2011, 09:43 (Ref:2929732)

Wouldn't be Sandown as the 2nd car ran as #6 here, most likely Calder or possibly Wellington.

david5 · 22 Jul 2011, 10:42 (Ref:2929748)

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Originally Posted by anthony81901

Wouldn't be Sandown as the 2nd car ran as #6 here, most likely Calder or possibly Wellington.

Plus the back of the pits at Sandown were at tailgate height so you could drive straight out of the truck.

racer69 · 22 Jul 2011, 14:31 (Ref:2929806)

Definatly the Calder WTCC event in 1987. Brock/Parsons in #05, Crompton/McLeod in #10

At Wellington two weeks later Brock ran as #5, rather than #05.

Great pic, any more

?

Jesper OH · 22 Jul 2011, 16:39 (Ref:2929844)

Why has the two Mobil cars different rims? A matter of stretched economy at the Brock team? Speedline vs. BBS - frankly, I'm not even sure those are the manufactures!

Jesper

Driver TBA · 22 Jul 2011, 22:18 (Ref:2929954)

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Originally Posted by kittle

Bathurst winning Falcon forsale.

http://www.ecurieinvestments.com.au/bathurst-winning-ford-falcon

No interest from the Stone's then? I remember Ross Stone saying a few years ago he had first option on it when Craig decided to sell.

jd yort · 22 Jul 2011, 22:48 (Ref:2929962)

So I assume this Eggenberger Sierra is in Australia if it is in Inventory?

http://www.ecurieinvestments.com.au/...o-rs500-sierra

**GTRMagic** · 22 Jul 2011, 23:37 (Ref:2929979)

The build of the '05' Group 'C' VK

kittle · 23 Jul 2011, 10:35 (Ref:2930065)

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Originally Posted by Driver TBA

No interest from the Stone's then? I remember Ross Stone saying a few years ago he had first option on it when Craig decided to sell.

Thats what i thought as it was one car they always wanted to keep.

I know that they still have the front spoiler and light assembly so they can restore it to the bathurst winning look.

kittle · 23 Jul 2011, 10:43 (Ref:2930069)

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Originally Posted by Driver TBA

No interest from the Stone's then? I remember Ross Stone saying a few years ago he had first option on it when Craig decided to sell.

Thats what i thought as it was one car they always wanted to keep.

I know that they still have the front spoiler and light assembly so they can restore it to the bathurst winning look.

anthony81901 · 23 Jul 2011, 21:54 (Ref:2930265)

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Originally Posted by Jesper OH

Why has the two Mobil cars different rims? A matter of stretched economy at the Brock team? Speedline vs. BBS - frankly, I'm not even sure those are the manufactures!

The wheels on 05 are Momos. Things were fairly tight at HDT, Holden pulling the pin leaving a large hole in the budget.

The 10 car ran the BBS wheels during at least one of Peter McLeod's stints before switching to Momos when Brock & Parsons moved in. Perhaps McLeod brought some wheels along as part of the deal, recall he also brought the practice engine for #10 before it recieved the one removed from 05 for the race.

Just Do It! · 26 Jul 2011, 08:37 (Ref:2931216)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Sandown 1987?

Am I blind or are there only 3 drivers? Where's the 4th man?

And how'd Cromley fund his racing?

racer69 · 26 Jul 2011, 11:41 (Ref:2931278)

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Originally Posted by Just Do It!

Am I blind or are there only 3 drivers? Where's the 4th man?

And how'd Cromley fund his racing?

Isn't that Peter McLoed (4th driver) standing just behind Crompton's left (our right)?

Don't think Crompton funded the drive in any way. Brock was big on giving people a go even in the financial struggle that 1987 was, and he'd given Jon Crooke a chance in 1987 also (although the coverage the Crompton car would get from Channel 7 camera's probably didn't hurt Neil's cause).

Peter McLoed brought an engine to the team as 'incentive' for the Bathurst drive (have to check but i don't think any $$$), but the #10 at Bathurst was entered with Crooke/Crompton doing the driving (as they had done at the Pepsi 250 and Castrol 500 earlier). Crompton couldn't race at Bathurst though as he didn't have enough signatures on his licence for the WTCC round, so the tender went out and McLeod got the gig.

Calder was McLeod's last drive, at Wellington #10 was driven by Crompton and David Oxton, while at the AGP support race the car went back to #6 and was driven to 6th by David Parsons.

**GTRMagic** · 27 Jul 2011, 23:38 (Ref:2931967)

In AA this week, Jim Richards is reported to be restoring an '87-spec BMW M3, one of four (?) he raced in season 1987 in JPS colours. The story also reports that the car has been sitting on display in NZ since 1993...

Which chassis would this be then? I thought they were all accounted for?

mtpanorama · 28 Jul 2011, 06:14 (Ref:2932016)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

In AA this week, Jim Richards is reported to be restoring an '87-spec BMW M3, one of four (?) he raced in season 1987 in JPS colours. The story also reports that the car has been sitting on display in NZ since 1993...

Which chassis would this be then? I thought they were all accounted for?

Mr Towe knows all about it, he can fill us in.

brown dog · 28 Jul 2011, 08:20 (Ref:2932044)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

In AA this week, Jim Richards is reported to be restoring an '87-spec BMW M3, one of four (?) he raced in season 1987 in JPS colours. The story also reports that the car has been sitting on display in NZ since 1993...

Which chassis would this be then? I thought they were all accounted for?

Originally a JPS car, and an original BMW Motorsport built shell, its the only new one bought by Frank Gardner from BMW, and from what I understand served as the "blueprint" for the Australian built shells.So it has a BMW Motorsport chassis number. I don't think "sitting on display" is quite accurate, more like "tucked away from prying eyes"!!

So quite a desirable car in the Australian M3 scheme of things!

**GTRMagic** · 28 Jul 2011, 08:41 (Ref:2932051)

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Originally Posted by brown dog

Originally a JPS car, and an original BMW Motorsport built shell, its the only new one bought by Frank Gardner from BMW, and from what I understand served as the "blueprint" for the Australian built shells.So it has a BMW Motorsport chassis number. I don't think "sitting on display" is quite accurate, more like "tucked away from prying eyes"!!

So quite a desirable car in the Australian M3 scheme of things!

I presume this to be the ex-Trevor Crowe car then?

brown dog · 28 Jul 2011, 09:45 (Ref:2932075)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I presume this to be the ex-Trevor Crowe car then?

I think it was ex-Trevor Crowe. It has been owned by John Sorenson since back then, (Strathmore Group ring any bells?

) and driven by John and Kayne Scott (from memory) in one (or possibly more) of the Wellington street races. It was white then, and probably still is. I understand it is missing the front suspension, but is otherwise intact.

Hopefully JR will keep it a bit longer than the last M3 he owned

**GTRMagic** · 29 Jul 2011, 00:08 (Ref:2932307)

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Originally Posted by brown dog

I think it was ex-Trevor Crowe. It has been owned by John Sorenson since back then, (Strathmore Group ring any bells?

) and driven by John and Kayne Scott (from memory) in one (or possibly more) of the Wellington street races. It was white then, and probably still is. I understand it is missing the front suspension, but is otherwise intact.

Hopefully JR will keep it a bit longer than the last M3 he owned

This one?

brown dog · 29 Jul 2011, 01:07 (Ref:2932318)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

This one?

Pretty sure thats it, has John Sorenson as driver in that pic. It appeared in 1991 I think with Kayne Scott, and no livery, just plain white from memory. And again in 1992 partnered by Keith Sharp, this time with Castrol sponsorship/livery.

brown dog · 29 Jul 2011, 01:56 (Ref:2932323)

Might be wrong on the 1991 entry, but 1992 is correct, as I have the Pukekohe race on video and checked.

racer69 · 29 Jul 2011, 07:11 (Ref:2932357)

Quote:

Originally Posted by brown dog

Originally a JPS car, and an original BMW Motorsport built shell, its the only new one bought by Frank Gardner from BMW, and from what I understand served as the "blueprint" for the Australian built shells.

If its a chassis they used as a blueprint, it would make it the car that Richards used for the Calder and Symmons Plains ATCC rounds, before he debuted a new car at the first AMSCAR meeting?

brown dog · 29 Jul 2011, 10:20 (Ref:2932473)

We can only speculate which races it did without checking logbooks, photos etc. It may have been the first shell purchased,(even that is not certain) but that does not necessarily mean it was the first car built and raced.

It is chassis #M3 1-17, which is a 1987 chassis. Some of the JPS cars were built using 325i shells with the appropriate M3 panels stitched on, maybe it was cheaper to do this way than buy an M3 shell? But this car in question was a Matter Gmbh built shell, with the BMW Motorsport chassis number. None of the other JPS cars had this to my knowledge.

David Towe · 29 Jul 2011, 18:34 (Ref:2932892)

Hi all. It is shell no 17 and it was only used by JPS in rounds one and two. It is significant in world terms not just Aussie terms because it is the first pole position M3 in the works afaik. It was the Crowe Viacard car from Bathurst 87 but not the Spurle/Sharpe Castrol car, that is my first car after Sax had finished with it. Ther were six JPS M3s and they are all accounted for now. Only one was a 325 shell and that was my first one.
I hope Jim keeps it and runs it more than just at the AGP but if that's the only place I gat to compete against my favorite driver of my younger days then it will be an honor to be able to say I raced Jim Richards inJPS m3s and got my asre kicked.

David Towe · 29 Jul 2011, 18:35 (Ref:2932893)

Hi all. It is shell no 17 and it was only used by JPS in rounds one and two. It is significant in world terms not just Aussie terms because it is the first pole position M3 in the world afaik. It was the Crowe Viacard car from Bathurst 87 but not the Spurle/Sharpe Castrol car, that is my first car after Sax had finished with it. Ther were six JPS M3s and they are all accounted for now. Only one was a 325 shell and that was my first one.
I hope Jim keeps it and runs it more than just at the AGP but if that's the only place I get to compete against my favorite driver of my younger days then it will be an honour to be able to say I raced Jim Richards in JPS m3s and got my asre kicked.

David Towe · 29 Jul 2011, 20:26 (Ref:2932977)

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Originally Posted by brown dog

Might be wrong on the 1991 entry, but 1992 is correct, as I have the Pukekohe race on video and checked.

Hi brown dog, can you check the video and look for the position of the bonnet pins. On my first car(the ex Sax, ex Sharpe/Spurle Castrol car) the pins are about 35 mm from the edge but shell no 17 had them about 50 mm from the edge. The difference is quite noticeable when you look for it.

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