New Ford 5.0 modular/Coyote replace 5.0 Cammer in GA, se use in ALMS?

[chernaudi]

Ford will introduce the 5.0 Coyote version of the Modular V8 in the 2011 MY Mustang GT next spring. Of course, GA uses stock block engines in the DPs, with the Ford V8 being the 4.6 derived 5.0 Cammer that is separate and distinct from the 5.0 Coyote-only the basic engine block and a few other components share a commone heritage between a 5.0 Cammer and a 5.0 Coyote, and even those parts were modified, namely the block, which was lightened and reinforced.

But since both engines are based off of the 4.6 Mod motor, could the Coyote replace the Cammer in GA Daytona Prototypes, and what use could be found for it in ALMS-future LMPC engine, or could a Ford-based car(Doran Ford GT MkVII) use the engine, or would that require re-homologation or not allowed, inspite of the fact that the Coyote and the Cammer are both based of the aluminum 4.6/5.4 Mod motor.

However, the 5.0 Coyote is a sligtly undersquare engine(92.2x92.7mm), while the Cammer is an oversqure engine(94x90mm), and the Cammer is oversquare to allow it to rev higher, but the Coyote's valvetrain is more suited for high RPM use.

So will the Coyote replace the Cammer in GA and find use elsewhere, or will there be a hybrid engine(Cammer block with modified Coyote heads)?

[WMUCarGuy]

The LMPCs are using Chevy LS3s if I remember correctly.

[chernaudi]

Only because that's what Oreca puts in them now-it was believed that Panoz would've put 5.0 Cammers in the LMPCs, but wanted to standardize with the European FLM cars-also hence why the LMPCs will run spec Michelin tires, etc.

But will the new Ford 5.0(the Coyote, not the Cammer) see racing use aside from the replacement for the FR500 Mustang FIA GT3/Speed World Challenge car?

[pederb]

As far as I understand, it's still big and heavy.

[chernaudi]

Then get the Elan 6L8, or the engine that it's derived from-an aluminum block, fuel injected Ford 351 Windsor SVO. Or, you can take up your gripe with Ford, because I don't think that they'll make a lightweight stock block pushrod motor to suit their clientle unless rules makers make pushrod engines manditory.

However, a iron or steel block 5.0/302 is lighter and more compact than the 4.6/5.0 Mod motor; even the aluminum Shelby-manufactured 427 FE big block is likely lighter, and is demensionally the same size.

But that's what Ford is making, and unless Ford makes an all aluminum FR9 NASCAR engine, the Mod motors is all you're gonna get from them.

[pederb]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Then get the Elan 6L8, or the engine that it's derived from-an aluminum block, fuel injected Ford 351 Windsor SVO. Or, you can take up your gripe with Ford, because I don't think that they'll make a lightweight stock block pushrod motor to suit their clientle unless rules makers make pushrod engines manditory.

However, a iron or steel block 5.0/302 is lighter and more compact than the 4.6/5.0 Mod motor; even the aluminum Shelby-manufactured 427 FE big block is likely lighter, and is demensionally the same size.

But that's what Ford is making, and unless Ford makes an all aluminum FR9 NASCAR engine, the Mod motors is all you're gonna get from them.

Even do I'm a Ford fan, I prefer the LS-X family of motors.

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Ford will introduce the 5.0 Coyote version of the Modular V8 in the 2011 MY Mustang GT next spring. Of course, GA uses stock block engines in the DPs, with the Ford V8 being the 4.6 derived 5.0 Cammer that is separate and distinct from the 5.0 Coyote-only the basic engine block and a few other components share a commone heritage between a 5.0 Cammer and a 5.0 Coyote, and even those parts were modified, namely the block, which was lightened and reinforced.

But since both engines are based off of the 4.6 Mod motor, could the Coyote replace the Cammer in GA Daytona Prototypes, and what use could be found for it in ALMS-future LMPC engine, or could a Ford-based car(Doran Ford GT MkVII) use the engine, or would that require re-homologation or not allowed, inspite of the fact that the Coyote and the Cammer are both based of the aluminum 4.6/5.4 Mod motor.

However, the 5.0 Coyote is a sligtly under-square engine(92.2x92.7mm), while the Cammer is an over-squre engine(94x90mm), and the Cammer is over-square to allow it to rev higher, but the Coyote's valve-train is more sujited for high RPM use.

So will the Coyote replace the Cammer in GA and find use elsewhere, or will there be a hybrid engine(Cammer block with modified Coyote heads)?

Is this new engine an alloy version of the Hurricane engine (greater bore spacing ohc engine) or a simple redo of the mod engine?

The alloy mod engine is within allownce of being apprx. the same weight as an alloy Windsor , but is HUGE in size for inches of displacement.
It would make more sense to develope a high performance version of the Hurricane.

[chernaudi]

Ford says that it's a modified/revised 4.6 block with heavily revised heads with a new valvetrain.