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26 May 2017, 23:24 (Ref:3736269) | #251 | ||
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Only just watched the Oulton races on TV, really enjoyed them. It's quite obvious from viewing the races, and comments on this forum, that driving standards leave a lot to be desired, but I believe Alan Gow and whoever, don't really punish where punishment should be due because it's all good for the show. That permeates through to the drivers ( and lower categories unfortunately) and they take liberties.
All great to watch of course, and a reason why the series is so popular, but the cars are all so close in performance, and some hindered by success weight, that panel-bashers can mix it with better drivers. Guys like Sutton and Turkington really should be in a higher level of racing rather than having to deal with rock-apes all the time. |
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Are you serious? Are we talking about the same team that let a two time champion and arguably the fastest driver on the grid go over the winter? Plato brings the funding to the team.
And do people honestly think Plato has turned into a terrible driver overnight. Last season he was only 30 points behind CT in the championship, an admirable performance taking into account their relative experience with RWD. |
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27 May 2017, 03:44 (Ref:3736281) | #253 | ||
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All petty nonsense, and hyperbole...Louise is knowledgeable and asks fine questions, and basically has a great repport with most all the drivers. I suspect those being critical of her have some other agenda going... |
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For Plato to be able to claim that the Subaru package he brought to the grid was ultimately a success - then it needs to win titles. At the moment it looks like that is only going to come from Sutton. |
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By testing both of them they can see what the difference is in reality. Just because they can work around the issues with a "bent" car doesn't mean that it's the final solution. They have an enormous amount of data from the cars to be able to compare the relative performance of the drivers both before, during and after the crash so they will be more than aware of if the issue is the drivers or not already. |
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I don't have an agenda, I just think she's not very good and don't see why I should pretend she is. No different to the Blancpain lady (forgot her name), who is always making silly mistakes. Louise Beckett is much better, and there's a reason she's getting to do WEC, Ted Kravitz is getting to do F1, whilst the old ITV F1 dream team aren't considered. Sorry if that's harsh, but the broadcast quality leaves a lot to be desired. |
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27 May 2017, 13:36 (Ref:3736359) | #257 | ||
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JP running both cars back to back is the obvious thing to do. It should have been done straight after Donington as it was painfully obvious something was badly off, 99.9% likely the car.
I still think there is a serious cash issue hence why it has taken to now. Clearly JP now has virtually zero chance of the championship - even last year after the slow start it was mathematically possible 'til the final Brands weekend. I hope Ash Sutton is going testing with him, with both drivers and both cars then they can get all the back to back data under the Welsh sunshine. If it is a JP problem then AS should be able to set both cars up identically and post near identical lap times... Hope they sort it, would be good to have the Subarus mixing it with the BMWs, Hondas and Toyotas. |
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30 May 2017, 19:17 (Ref:3737466) | #258 | ||
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Are there any times available from the BMR test?
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They didn't test today; postponed until Thurs apparently.
Even if they were testing, highly unlikely they will release times. |
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I once had the 'pleasure' of driving a car that had been repaired after a big wreck. It aligned up fine, corner weighted fine, etc., and we literally only had the chance to drive it around a nearby residential neighborhood for about 3 minutes before it had to be loaded into the trailer and driven down to Laguna Seca.
It was for a six hour enduro, so there were three drivers, and I was providing...well... almost no funding (I paid for the tires we'd need and provided my 40' motorhome as our lounge/base for the wives during the day), and I also had far more miles at Laguna than the other two guys. So between that and some mechanical issues that ended up requiring a transmission swap, I got precisely no time in the car before strapping in for the start. During the warm up lap it seemed slightly odd but I just put that down to operator error. We get the green flag, get down to Turn 2, I stomp on the brakes, and the car takes a lurch to the right that would have turned it around were I not on the outside and able to ease off and just roll a little wide. Mentally slapping myself and saying "dangit, self, I told you that you needed to get more heat into the brakes!" By the end of the first lap, though, I knew something wasn't right -- I figured one f the brake lines must have gotten blocked or kinked in a way that I wasn't getting full (if any) braking pressure to one of the calipers. Driving around it, was a great lesson in carrying more speed, anyway. I get out of the car after 40 minutes and tell Tony (the next driver) to be super easy on the brakes...treat them like ice cold brakes. That worked for precisely... 2 corners and Tony's in the gravel. They haul him out, he pits, heads back out, makes it to the exit of Turn 9. At that point we're starting to get a bit of the ol' stank-eye from people, but Dave (the third driver) figures he'll give this a whirl. No gravel, but after 20 minutes he radios "I'm coming in...this is no fun at all" and we call it a day. Eventually, on a full frame jig, it's discovered that there's a tiny discrepancy in one of the rear suspension pickup points. Under braking the difference of what the left rear and right rear tires were doing was enough to cause that "lurch." Insidious, ugly, and we could have changed a setup around it, although there would have been some limitations and other issues. Which is exactly what I think Plato is dealing with right now. Steve |
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Tim calls people out (sometimes hypocritically for those of us who remember his career), but David doesn't. He plays favourites a lot. He never calls out Plato, Shedden or Neal on anything, but tends to get a bit more vocal when a lesser name does something. We can agree to disagree if you want mate, I understand what BTCC is trying to do and it does it well, I just didn't agree with the coverage at the weekend there. The TV director missed everything, Tim and David weren't really at their best, and Louise was just getting in the way on the grid. I just thought it was pretty poor. I'd rather than Teds technical knowledge than Louise ignoring marshals telling her to get off the grid so she can ask a simple pundit question that even a non-fan could answer. |
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31 May 2017, 13:21 (Ref:3737688) | #264 | ||
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Goodman isn't great but I'd take her every day of the week over Vicki Butler-Henderson or Janie Omorogobe, whom she replaced.
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I think the issue in general is there's actually very few people who are both knowledgeable and capable of hosting such a 'show'. Steve clearly lacks the knowledge part so rightly keeps to the host duties only, though even then he slips up at times (age getting to him?). As much as Paul comes across as a super eager, hump your leg like a terrier, type of TV personality, I'd much rather see him do the grid walks. He's got a good rapport with the drivers and whilst knowledgeable can dumb things down enough for the general audience and explain things in layman's terms. Louise may have once provided some eye candy for the blokes, but that ship has sailed, and rather than get another 'bimbo' prancing around, let's get someone who knows what to ask! |
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She's been around motorsport in one professional form or another for a long time and she does know her stuff. I suspect the questions that get asked on ITV4's coverage (which feels to me like it's moving slowly away from the knowledgable enthusiast) are precisely because a large part of their audience isn't that knowledgable about the technology/engineering in the first place, and doesn't want to be - they like the personal stuff and the politics, they like the racing, and they like 'the show' with all that carries. Obviously I'm not talking about people who post here - this is the very place that knowledgable enthusiasts come! I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the ITV4 crew read Tenths or post here on the quiet. It'll be interesting to see if anything changes at the next meeting. |
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I think that would be fascinating, but alas the majority of people watching as casual fans would probably switch over and only change back when the crashing starts again. That's the nature of the audience. There's been some pretty harsh (and borderline personal) comments directed at Louise here. Lay off her, eh? She's not got an easy job, and unfortunately the demands of TV can result in her having to ask fairly bland, simple questions. She does a decent enough job and, whilst I like the idea of Owy doing the grid walk, it might not be something he feels comfortable doing. Ideally I would like to see both (one interviewing the guys at the front, and one speaking to the guys further down the field). |
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I like the idea of having two different people doing the gridwalk, like C4 F1 do
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From a personal point of view, I think that the public grid walks and the interviewing process on the grid, both just suck up valuable racing time. If it was left to me, I would give the drivers their out lap plus a further "green flag" lap, line them up on the grid and let the race commence. I fail to understand what anyone gains from allowing the cars to sit on the grid for ten or fifteen minutes doing nothing. It is, after all, a race meeting, not a sit patiently on the track event. And in case anyone thinks that this might be a radical idea, it isn't. It is how race meetings were conducted 50 years ago, although we didn't have the luxury of what is called the green flag lap. |
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