WEC Porsche Prototype Discussion - Page 121

Spyderman · 12 Nov 2013, 10:59 (Ref:3330328)

I cant tell whether it is quick or not, but I can say with complete certainty that to my eyes, this is the ugliest racing Porsche ever!

So sad!

It had better be quick!!

canamman · 12 Nov 2013, 11:24 (Ref:3330330)

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

A video of the Porsche LMP1 at Paul Ricard

From what I could tell, it looked like a Delta Wing knock off.

Simmi · 12 Nov 2013, 11:43 (Ref:3330338)

I think there were a few unrealistic expectations on the car as to how it would look and sound. They are worked into a box by the regs.

It's surely all about the performance for this car.

Spyderman · 12 Nov 2013, 13:55 (Ref:3330393)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

I think there were a few unrealistic expectations on the car as to how it would look and sound. They are worked into a box by the regs.

I get that. I'm lamenting that the box "painted" by the regulations produces such ugly looking cars. Regulators need to look at that. They too, need to help "market" their product.

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Originally Posted by Simmi

It's surely all about the performance for this car.

It had better be.

deggis · 12 Nov 2013, 14:05 (Ref:3330395)

The engine note is just weird. It is like there is a lot of noise (for a turbo) initially in acceleration, but then it vanishes somewhere. The exhaust heat system?

Complaining about the looks = beating a dead horse, if the basis is that you know the regs and then somehow expect GT11 GT1 98 looks.

The full width wing improves the overal appearance quite a lot vs. even the current loophole wings.

Spyderman · 12 Nov 2013, 14:28 (Ref:3330402)

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Originally Posted by deggis

Complaining about the looks = beating a dead horse, if the basis is that you know the regs and then somehow expect GT11 GT1 98 looks.

Never in any of my posts have I ever mentioned expecting the LMP1 to look like a GT1 98 or any other car. In fact, I have been extremely concerned and expressed very early on how I was not looking forward to seeing my beloved Porsches with shark fin's and great big holes over the wheels.
Perhaps if enough people beat a dead horse, then maybe the people responsible for killing them will think twice before killing another one.

CyberMotor · 12 Nov 2013, 14:51 (Ref:3330412)

The 'chirping' reminds me of the 962.

deggis · 12 Nov 2013, 15:03 (Ref:3330418)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Never in any of my posts have I ever mentioned expecting the LMP1 to look like a GT1 98 or any other car.

Was meant to be read between the lines.

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In fact, I have been extremely concerned and expressed very early on how I was not looking forward to seeing my beloved Porsches with shark fin's and great big holes over the wheels.

But it's not like this was the first ever video/photo of the car

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Perhaps if enough people beat a dead horse, then maybe the people responsible for killing them will think twice before killing another one.

There was a chance to revise the regs more completely for 2014, but the it was not done, so I think for a few years complaining won't do much. Actually I think the overall look of 2014 is a slight improvement over 2013, almost solely because of the full width rear wing.

Spyderman · 12 Nov 2013, 15:58 (Ref:3330429)

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Originally Posted by deggis

Was meant to be read between the lines.

Ha! I see.

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Originally Posted by deggis

But it's not like this was the first ever video/photo of the car

No, but it still hasn't grown on me.

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Originally Posted by deggis

There was a chance to revise the regs more completely for 2014, but the it was not done, so I think for a few years complaining won't do much. Actually I think the overall look of 2014 is a slight improvement over 2013, almost solely because of the full width rear wing.

You are no doubt right, but I'll continue to comment.....until the car's performance out weighs it's looks.

TF110 · 13 Nov 2013, 04:56 (Ref:3330703)

Wonder how its times compare to other recent lmp's at Paul Ricard.

Richard C · 13 Nov 2013, 14:31 (Ref:3330845)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Wonder how its times compare to other recent lmp's at Paul Ricard.

It would be interesting to know. I don't know how teams run these private tests, but if it was me (I might be "Captain Obvious" here), I would make it hard for whoever is spying on the test to determine any actual lap times. Maybe run laps in which they focus on specific sectors, and rotate those sectors throughout the day, but never compete a full hot lap. The team can always stitch together what the best lap might have been. And of course they have some test plan in place that may not really ever require them to look for ultimate pace?

Richard

deggis · 13 Nov 2013, 14:36 (Ref:3330850)

Paul Ricard has 100 possible configurations so a laptime wouldn't be much use unless the exact configuration is also known.

TF110 · 13 Nov 2013, 23:49 (Ref:3331061)

These guys usually run one or two layouts with the lonnnng straight to test for LeMans. Pretty sure lap times are used as benchmarks since there was a 2014 tire test there recently.

deggis · 14 Nov 2013, 00:10 (Ref:3331071)

But whose lap times? Since this supposedly was Porsche's first test there.

TF110 · 14 Nov 2013, 00:14 (Ref:3331073)

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Originally Posted by deggis

But whose lap times? Since this supposedly was Porsche's first test there.

Who? Toyota and Audi who partook in the tire test. And who tested there beforehand. To be close to current lmp times surely can't be a bad thing.

deggis · 14 Nov 2013, 00:17 (Ref:3331075)

Assuming Michelin is allowed to share lap times between teams...

TF110 · 14 Nov 2013, 00:24 (Ref:3331076)

It was an open test. There were even GT teams testing the same days. They could have timed the laps themselves (porsche).

Spyderman · 18 Nov 2013, 05:21 (Ref:3332892)

Apparently the early December test at Sebring has been cancelled. That is usually not a good sign. Hopefully it has nothing to do with the car or the development program, but rather extemporaneous factors beyond Porsche's control.

wnut · 18 Nov 2013, 05:37 (Ref:3332895)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Apparently the early December test at Sebring has been cancelled. That is usually not a good sign. Hopefully it has noting to do with the car or the development program, but rather extemporaneous factors beyond Porsche's control.

Mr. Webber will be very not happy if that program is cancelled!

kingers · 18 Nov 2013, 05:43 (Ref:3332897)

He cannot drive anyway until January. I guess no one likes lost progres, as seen on the podium in Texas he is keen as mustard to get out of the Red Bull (must be the only person in the world wanting to do so!!) and into the Porsche Lmp1.

Bandicoot17 · 18 Nov 2013, 07:17 (Ref:3332918)

Maybe the supposed Audi test at Sebring is the reason??

deggis · 18 Nov 2013, 07:23 (Ref:3332921)

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Originally Posted by Bandicoot17

Maybe the supposed Audi test at Sebring is the reason??

Why? Especially as Porsche does not need to obey any WEC testing regulations yet (until Jan 1?), so they can definitely have a private test if they want (I'm referring to the "open private test" term in the regulations).

The Badger · 18 Nov 2013, 17:46 (Ref:3333202)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Mr. Webber will be very not happy if that program is cancelled!

Cancelled ..... not a chance .

**Aysedasi** · 18 Nov 2013, 18:38 (Ref:3333230)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Mr. Webber will be very not happy if that program is cancelled!

What? "Strictly"?

MyNameIsNigel · 19 Nov 2013, 12:11 (Ref:3333595)

I know that this is "silly" at first sight and totally inconsistent with the "official" announcements made so far by Porsche representatives, but I am hearing (again and again...) that Porsche "could" have opted for diesel power...

I sincerely doubt that this is the case. If this "rumour" is true, however, this would definitely surprise a few...

Don't shoot me, I am just raising the silly-or-not-so-silly question again

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