2009 Team/Driver/Sponsor Movements! (merged x6)

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by Denosaur

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If Courtney was to leave SBR, do you think it could be a trade off with FPR that Winterbottom goes to SBR and possibly brings with him the Orrcon money?? Obviously Courtney bring Jeldwen to FPR. The switch for Jeldwen to a southern based team might work out nicely for them as they have a major facility in Victoria as well.

These drivers bring these sponsorship monies with them - why would that be?

Bearing in mind Jeldwen sponsor St Kilda in the AFL ...

[GTRMagic]

Mr Winterbottom has driven an Orrcon-sponsored car for 4 of his 5 seasons in the topline category... its not an impossible situation to see this sponsor move from one team to another, indeed they followed Larko from LMS to a minor sponsor at WPS, then FPR offered a full car space for allegedly similar dollars and they moved....

In the new "BLUE" vs "RED" world, you would think that the "Cobra" design from last year's latter stages wont be seen again... even though it is the cleanest of any of the Orrcon designs so far....

[drift king]

Originally Posted by Rombles1

Lots of money to be made from carwashes....

Alex has never had to pay for any drives and I doubt they have the money themselves to do so even if they wanted. Why would he pay to come back to Australia to race when he can earn good money racing for Porsche OS?

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Mr Winterbottom has driven an Orrcon-sponsored car for 4 of his 5 seasons in the topline category... its not an impossible situation to see this sponsor move from one team to another, indeed they followed Larko from LMS to a minor sponsor at WPS, then FPR offered a full car space for allegedly similar dollars and they moved....

In the new "BLUE" vs "RED" world, you would think that the "Cobra" design from last year's latter stages wont be seen again... even though it is the cleanest of any of the Orrcon designs so far....

didnt think it was a driver related sponsorship ...

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by cavvy

These drivers bring these sponsorship monies with them - why would that be?

Look at how CAT left FPR and went to Britek. Why?? Because they like Jason or the way Jason works. Same with Castrol coming back into the mix at FPR when Steve came along. For some sponsors, having a particular name or face associated with there sponsorship dollar and associated programs spun off from the sponsorship works for them. You only have to look at NASCAR to see how picky some sponsors can be and how they'll follow a driver if he switches teams.

Mind you some sponsors have no idea. Like Valvoline, who have bought in Ponting to replace Laws. Most car nuts know that Laws has a good taste in cars, but what credentials has Ponting in this area?? Then again, what does Courtney know about doors and windows and Winterbottom about steel. Like Ponting they might look good on a poster and that's all the sponsor cares about.

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

There are one or two other drivers in the main series whose teams do not own their cars, instead supporters (or fathers..) are actually the beneficial owner of the chassis, loaned as they are to teams.

Presuming any of this actually happened

Who & will this arrangement directly impact line ups in 2009?

[GTRMagic]

If the stories are right, it is alleged that Mr Wood Sr owns the 2 current Tasman cars, that Mr Marshall Sr owns the much maligned #26, that Mr Matthias owns the current #111 car, while Mr Scott Sr owns #021...

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by Denosaur

Look at how CAT left FPR and went to Britek. Why?? Because they like Jason or the way Jason works. Same with Castrol coming back into the mix at FPR when Steve came along. For some sponsors, having a particular name or face associated with there sponsorship dollar and associated programs spun off from the sponsorship works for them. You only have to look at NASCAR to see how picky some sponsors can be and how they'll follow a driver if he switches teams.

Mind you some sponsors have no idea. Like Valvoline, who have bought in Ponting to replace Laws. Most car nuts know that Laws has a good taste in cars, but what credentials has Ponting in this area?? Then again, what does Courtney know about doors and windows and Winterbottom about steel. Like Ponting they might look good on a poster and that's all the sponsor cares about.

Dont share your view Denosaur. Most decisions have a commercial imperative unrelated to posters.

[mongrelpunt]

Just going to throw something out there, but with the fascination of the NASCAR series in Australia with Marcos Ambrose's whirlwind career over there, could there be a boomerang effect with either a up-and-coming or fading US driver coming out to the V8 Series?

Given that Owen Kelly has his name thrown around in the States and Boris Said competing this year at Bathurst could it be a way for a struggling team to get some US money into the series, and possibly a US V8 race in the distant future?

Just a random thought....

[GTRMagic]

Bye bye to direct factory driver contracts... Here

[Chatters]

Not having drivers tied to manufacturers... Another step towards a third manufacturer?

[Pro Racer]

probably a good thing.

[Wood-duck]

Also on the V8 Site, a story on Alex Davison 'undecided' on his future here or in Europe. I probably have missed something, why is Alex all of a sudden in hot demand ?

He sat on the sidelines for a year, and langished in Carrera Cup (by his standards) for a year after the Autobahn effort of 2005. His endurance efforts have been stellar, but he has been overlooked in the past frequently. No question he could be a star, but why the sudden interest in him from the paddock ?

Is it just that Will has been doing so well so everyone now wants a Davo ?

[JustASupporter]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Bye bye to direct factory driver contracts... Here

They'll pay the team to get the driver and the driver will end up getting the $$ via the team.

[billy bigtime]

Originally Posted by Rombles1

Lots of money to be made from carwashes....

Yes but not that much.

[kiwi butt]

Story goes that Team Kiwi will run a 4th Falcon out of FPR shop next year. Kiwi driver to be Pither.

Backing from Kanga + Makita + Tribro, and very little to do with that John fella.

Remember, you heard it here first!

[Pro Racer]

i know who runs what cars is on the other lists but not grouped might give an interesting look (possible teams included and customer equipment).

Holden:
Walkinshaw Performance:
HRT
HSVDT
AutoBarn Racing
BJR
RNR
GRM (engines only)
*10 cars*

Tasman:
Tasman
*2 cars*

Perkins:
JDR
*2 cars*

PMM:
PMM
Tint-A-Car Racing
*3 cars*

GRM:
GRM (chassis only)
*2 cars*

Ford:
Prodrive:
FPR
FDT
TKR
*4 cars*

SBR:
SBR
PCR (engines only)
*3 cars*

888:
888 (chassis only)
DJR (chassis only)
PCR (chassis only)
*5 cars*

DJR:
DJR (engines only)
888 (engines only)
*4 cars*

Britek:
Britek
*2 cars*

i think it is interesting especially how many cars WP run/could potentially run.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Pro Racer

i think it is interesting especially how many cars WP run/could potentially run.

or stuff up as the case is this year

[GTRMagic]

Maybe... lets see..

Holden:

Walkinshaw Performance:
#2 Mobil E10 SkaifeSports Skaife
#8, #10 Toll HRT Tander/R.Kelly
#12 BOC BJR (engines & chassis) A.Jones
#14 WOW BJR (engines & chassis) Webb
#15, #16 Autobarn HSVDT Dumbrell/McConville
#33, #34 Valvoline/Cummins GRM (engines only - GRM chassis) Holdsworth/Caruso
#55 Bottle 'O' RNR (engines & chassis) D'Alberto
*10 cars*

Tasman Motorsport:
#3, #51 SprintGas Tasman J.Richards/Murphy
*2 cars*

Perkins Engineering:
#7, #11 Jack Daniels Perkins T.Kelly/K.Scott
*2 cars*

PMM:
#39, #67 SuperCheap Auto/Sirromet PMM Ingall/Morris
*2 cars*

HOLDEN Total: 16 cars

Ford:

Prodrive FPR:
#5 Orrcon/Ford Credit FPR Winterbottom
#6 Castrol FPR S.Richards
#19 Jeldwen/Stegbar FDT Courtney
#20 AusDrill/Decina FDT Patrizi
*4 cars*

SBR:
#4 Latitude Development Group SBR Thompson
#9 SP Tools SBR van Gisbergen
#021 Makita/3M/BNT/Vantage TKR McIntyre
#25 Fujitsu/CAT Britek (engines & chassis) Bright
#26 Irwin/Fisher & Paykel Britek (engines & chassis) Marshall
#111 Glenfords PCR (engines only - 888 chassis) Coulthard
#1, #888 Vodafone 888 (engines only - 888 chassis) Whincup/Lowndes
*8 cars*

DJR:
#17 Jim Beam DJR (engines only - 888 chassis) Owen
#18 Jim Beam DJR (engines only - 888 chassis) Davison
*2 cars*

FORD Total: 14 cars

[cavvy]

[QUOTE=GTRMagic]Maybe... lets see..

Holden:

Walkinshaw Performance:
#2 Mobil E10 SkaifeSports Skaife
#8, #10 Toll HRT Tander/R.Kelly
#12 BOC BJR (engines & chassis) A.Jones
#14 WOW BJR (engines & chassis) Webb
#15, #16 Autobarn HSVDT Dumbrell/McConville

[GTRMagic]

MeN seems sure that Mr Skaife shall run in his own squad next year, away from HRT but still run by WP....

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

MeN seems sure that Mr Skaife shall run in his own squad next year, away from HRT but still run by WP....

28 at PI, the demise of TKR widely rumoured, thats 27 - where are the other 3 coming from GTR?

Who holds the dormant franchises now that will be active in 09?

Any additional sponsors with 'a bag of gold'??

[GTRMagic]

TKR shall be reborn.. or so the story goes.. prepared by SBR.. allegedly..

PWR's 2008 car licence is allegedly to be absorbed by WP... for Mr Skaife... allegedly..

Mr Walden's 2008 car licence is for sale.. to be absorbed by interests associated with seeing Mr Courtney at FDT... allegedly..

Everybody else stays the same, ownership wise anyway..

.. and there is a grid of 30 cars, 16 Holdens, 14 Fords. Allegedly

[yap]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

DJR:
#17 Jim Beam DJR (engines only - 888 chassis) Owen
#18 Jim Beam DJR (engines only - 888 chassis) Davison
*2 cars*

So is that the word from the Powder Room

Stevie O replacing Stevie J next year??

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by yap

So is that the word from the Powder Room

Stevie O replacing Stevie J next year??

MeN suggests that this is likely the case also.