[Official] Rate the race- Singapore Grand Prix

[JeremySmith]

It's a good spectacle... 5

[paddy]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

Try telling Webber that the cars are bullet-proof........his certainly hasn't been, although of course Vettel's pretty much has.

As a Sky refusenik I only saw the highlights, but can't say I was ever in danger of falling asleep - quite a lot of battles further down the field, particularly as the tyre strategies worked out. Thought Hulkenberg's penalty was harsh, and penalising Webber for his lift back was humourless....

Gave it a 6.

I meant generally bullet proof although I agree Vettel seems pretty much immune as did MS before him.

[Adam43]

I demand they do something about this. The best laps were the ones at the end because of the tyres, perhaps they should go more extreme with the tyres...

[p261brm]

5 all round except for , can not remember her name on the Beeb team, I just wish she would throw the fashion accessory away, in fact the Beeb could save a mint by not employing her full stop

[cerdic]

I really don't get the 'spectacle' of the night race thing. The lights are so bright they create a sterile glare that is very unpleasant. They also make every part of the track look the same, which is compounded by it being a street circuit. Also, the bodywork of the cars is so shiny that the lights turn each one into a bright blob making it impossible to tell one from another from many camera angles.

Pointless gimmick....

[Born Racer]

Originally Posted by Lazyking

How is it possible that one driver can win by 30 seconds? It's not all driver, these are world class drivers. I'm a casual F1 fan for this very reason. I understand a team being the class of the field but over 30 seconds?

Thirty seconds is nothing compared to the past where Grands Prix were sometimes decided by minutes. It's not all driver, indeed. The car and team play a large role and that's something else that arguably played a bigger role in the past (in that the gap between first and last has shrunk), so if anything F1 is more to your preferences than it has ever been.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Adam43

I demand they do something about this. The best laps were the ones at the end because of the tyres, perhaps they should go more extreme with the tyres...

Why not have a 5 - 7 lap race on extreme tyres; if F1 wants to go Green it makes sense.

[Razzzor]

1? I don't think I'd ever give any race in history a 1. Perhaps a Nascar race haha, but not F1.

The battle for the lead was actually very close. Just because they weren't on the same strategy and swapping back and forth doesn't mean it was a done deal, Vettel had to create a 30 sec gap in 14 laps. How was that not exciting watching and seeing if he can do it? If he only got 25 secs then Alonso could have won.

What about the battles back from the late pitters as the long stoppers faded?

I found this race quite good in the end. Maybe a 7.

[steve_r]

5 - Vettel's dominance is not particularly exciting, but it is impressive nevertheless. Not a great deal else happening of interest until the final few laps when the different tyre strategys started panning out.

[Razor]

1 - Didn't even bother watching it. It's fantastic for RBI to win all the time and Vettel has cemented his place as one of the all time greats but it's becoming tiresome to see him win all the time.

[Sodemo]

Watched this in a pub with my good lady. We "put up" with the first 45 laps, then we just decided to leave as it was so dull. Sadly it seems as soon as we left some actual racing started to break out (which we knew would happen) however it couldn't stop this from being a total bore fest. I gave it a 2, and that was generous.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Lazyking

How is it possible that one driver can win by 30 seconds? It's not all driver, these are world class drivers. I'm a casual F1 fan for this very reason. I understand a team being the class of the field but over 30 seconds? it's a joke and it needs to be fixed.

You can have all the great racing you want from second on back but if the race winner is already all but decided, why should fans bother to watch?

Because you are witnessing the work of someone who will in time become known as an all time great, enjoy him, they don't come along very often!

It would be worth watching him just drive along on his own, oh wait ...

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by Lazyking

How is it possible that one driver can win by 30 seconds? It's not all driver, these are world class drivers. I'm a casual F1 fan for this very reason. I understand a team being the class of the field but over 30 seconds? it's a joke and it needs to be fixed.

You can have all the great racing you want from second on back but if the race winner is already all but decided, why should fans bother to watch?

Think about this. Would you really want race results to be fixed?
I realise this is not what you actually meant (fixing the result) but assuming that in a competitive field excellence is undesirable is a nonsense.

If you are so desiring of a highly competitive race that ends in a close finish that you want a system corrected to produce an entertaining race and result is acknowledgement of everything that (in my opinion) is wrong with F1.

[nicanary]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

Think about this. Would you really want race results to be fixed?
I realise this is not what you actually meant (fixing the result) but assuming that in a competitive field excellence is undesirable is a nonsense.

If you are so desiring of a highly competitive race that ends in a close finish that you want a system corrected to produce an entertaining race and result is acknowledgement of everything that (in my opinion) is wrong with F1.

THAT'S IT! Bernie's next Big Thing. Handicap racing. The Marussias and Caterhams start off first with the rest of the field leaving at appropriate intervals according to driver competency and car performance.

The result would be a dead heat. Brooklands revisited. Mega!

I didn't watch it - I've managed to make the break and now there's no turning back. Don't forget, next year's engines are all-new and there will no doubt be engine failures. So at least there'll be that element of the "unknown". IMHO there are just too many races now, and that's why so many people are dissatisfied - the anticipation of having to wait, say 3 weeks between races, with a total of 12 in the season, would mean everyone would enjoy even a "Vettel walkover" just that little bit more.

As I said, IMHO. The fanboys wouldn't agree.

[Grandpa_Rob]

6 is my rating found myself drifting off ,it picked up toward the end. The cars under lights though look awesome, the livery colours so intense.

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by Razzzor

1? I don't think I'd ever give any race in history a 1. Perhaps a Nascar race haha, but not F1.

The battle for the lead was actually very close. Just because they weren't on the same strategy and swapping back and forth doesn't mean it was a done deal, Vettel had to create a 30 sec gap in 14 laps. How was that not exciting watching and seeing if he can do it? If he only got 25 secs then Alonso could have won.

What about the battles back from the late pitters as the long stoppers faded?

I found this race quite good in the end. Maybe a 7.

Nascar is more exciting than Indycars, the interest is dropping like flies over there

I'm a Vettel fan, and I thought the front was boring to watch, until the end when Webber was chasing down the front runners, that was fun too and the Mercedes going at it, and Rosberg getting angry when he was told to ''PUSH''! and he's like ''Why do I need to push???''

I'll give it a 6 this time.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by FAS33

Nascar is more exciting than Indycars, the interest is dropping like flies over there

I'm a Vettel fan, and I thought the front was boring to watch, until the end when Webber was chasing down the front runners, that was fun too and the Mercedes going at it, and Rosberg getting angry when he was told to ''PUSH''! and he's like ''Why do I need to push???''

I'll give it a 6 this time.

Despite IndyCars woes and the ugly Dallara, I've seen some fantastic racing this season, much better than the last three GPs and NASCAR, left turn, left turn.....

[Moneyseeker]

James Allen on R5L described it as a 'slow burner', which summed it up well....

Waiting 2 hours for someone's tyres to maybe wear out more than somebody else's is not really my idea of a good time, to be honest.

[nicanary]

Originally Posted by Moneyseeker

James Allen on R5L described it as a 'slow burner', which summed it up well....

Waiting 2 hours for someone's tyres to maybe wear out more than somebody else's is not really my idea of a good time, to be honest.

Which brings us back to the old question - is F1 supposed to be entertaining us, or is it a sports which happens to be (occasionally) entertaining? What is its purpose? Are we supposed to be having a good time?

I bet the drivers/engineers/team managers all enjoyed the race - isn't that what it's about?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by nicanary

Which brings us back to the old question - is F1 supposed to be entertaining us, or is it a sports which happens to be (occasionally) entertaining? What is its purpose? Are we supposed to be having a good time?

I bet the drivers/engineers/team managers all enjoyed the race - isn't that what it's about?

I always thought it was a bit of both.

[chillibowl]

it certainly does have to be a bit of both but sporting aesthetic has to take a front seat to entertainment imo...and in a perfect world, adherence to that sporting aesthetic should be all the entertainment we need from it.

gave it a 6 because of some of the drama near the end.

Originally Posted by cerdic

I really don't get the 'spectacle' of the night race thing. The lights are so bright they create a sterile glare that is very unpleasant. They also make every part of the track look the same, which is compounded by it being a street circuit.

have to agree the artificial lights for me is like watching a race in a supermarket.

[nicanary]

Chillibowl has it spot-on for me - the sporting aesthetic aspect. I've always believed that motor sport is for the participants. If we want to go along and watch, so be it. It hasn't been laid on for our delectation, much as BCE and CVC would want us to think as such. We have no real right to complain if it's boring - just stop watching.

F1 is about top designers, engineers and drivers trying to excel. If the result is entertaining , that's a bonus.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by nicanary

Chillibowl has it spot-on for me - the sporting aesthetic aspect. I've always believed that motor sport is for the participants. If we want to go along and watch, so be it. It hasn't been laid on for our delectation, much as BCE and CVC would want us to think as such. We have no real right to complain if it's boring - just stop watching.

F1 is about top designers, engineers and drivers trying to excel. If the result is entertaining , that's a bonus.

So what happens if no one turns up to watch at the track or watch on TV?

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

So what happens if no one turns up to watch at the track or watch on TV?

if the number of viewers dropped dramatically and teams and sponsors actually had to look at competing under reasonable budgets then it might actually be a good thing.

[Lazyking]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

Think about this. Would you really want race results to be fixed?
I realise this is not what you actually meant (fixing the result) but assuming that in a competitive field excellence is undesirable is a nonsense.

If you are so desiring of a highly competitive race that ends in a close finish that you want a system corrected to produce an entertaining race and result is acknowledgement of everything that (in my opinion) is wrong with F1.

My point was not that I don't enjoy driver excellence but that one team in world class F1 shouldn't be THAT dominant. Motorsports as a whole is known for teams working to be the best at a given track. I just don't think that with all the talent in F1 at moment, all the money that is spent should give us the result we had.

I don't care if Vettel drove away but that fact was, he didn't need to conserve tires, and he drove away at two seconds a lap..

Writing alot of words to get my point across lol I Just feel like one driver has an unfair advantage and that imo is not what F1 should be about.