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Old 18 Sep 2017, 04:57 (Ref:3768158)   #251
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Does the race finish so early due to noise constraints?
Could well do, Sandown is under substantial noise restrictions and how late a race meeting can run could be part of that.

Mind you, the race could always start earlier too.......
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 05:02 (Ref:3768160)   #252
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Does the race finish so early due to noise constraints?
While i cant definitely answer that

the aust Gt race on Saturday was due to finish at 5.50 and on Friday they were running event rides until 6 pm

there is a 6 pm cut off at the track.

I reckon its more to do with ch ten wanting to go to the 5 pm news
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 05:21 (Ref:3768163)   #253
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Not bad weekends racing,

The Crashes were insane / nasty.

The efforts of Mr Hazlewood to get out of one of THE most horrific crashes we have ever seen to jump into the super 2 is bl00dy guts !!!! Im not sure if it is smart on the medicos call to actually let him or anyone else do so within 30 minutes still leave me a bit miffed, but at the end of the day absolute proffesional young gun for me.

Congrats to Cam and Richie, what am impressive young duo to win the event and nice to see someone else win for a change. nice to see Cams burnout, emotion and his disappointment at beating his team up to park ferme with no one to celebrate with.

If Jono Webb needed a reason to continue to be apprehensive with being a co-driver for the big events he definately got one !!!!
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 08:06 (Ref:3768177)   #254
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So has Sandown been confirmed that it will be torn down in a few years?
Hasn't been confirmed, but when the last deal was signed for the circuit to continue hosting the 500 until 2019 there was an expectation that it would probably be the last. Maybe the circuit will live on beyond this, but it's a case of when not if it closes.
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 08:14 (Ref:3768180)   #255
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Im still thinking that the whole 54 laps thing is dodgy.
Agree, a better system would be to stipulate a driver maximum, so 107 laps irrespective of whether a race is time shortened or not. It could only be abused if a team gambled on a major stoppage and that the race would only run for this number of laps, but given that all teams plan on having their primary driver in the seat for the run home, not likely.
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 08:26 (Ref:3768183)   #256
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Hasn't been confirmed, but when the last deal was signed for the circuit to continue hosting the 500 until 2019 there was an expectation that it would probably be the last. Maybe the circuit will live on beyond this, but it's a case of when not if it closes.
i couldnt help but notice that the horse racing track was in poor condition, the railsw ere all laid on their side, Im wondering how much sue it gets for horse racing now

edit, so i looked it up, no racing until november from here
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 09:14 (Ref:3768200)   #257
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Just because a circuit is supposedly closing in the future is no excuse for permitting racing at a substandard venue. The surface is woeful : patched and bumpy, and the runoffs are extremely sketchy. The safety of the T6 (lack of) runoff would be laughable if it wasn't so scary. This is trumpeted as the season's second-biggest race, yet the joint is on its knees and in disrepair. Are the circuits not inspected once a season to ensure their suitability to host Australia's premier race class ? No good just hoping things won't go wrong in today's climate.
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 09:23 (Ref:3768204)   #258
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The place is rundown in many aspects.

It's probably about 10 years overdue for a resurface.
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 11:19 (Ref:3768236)   #260
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Modifying Rothmans Rise would be as sacriligious as putting a Chicane on Conrod Straight, or chicanes on the Mulsanne.... hang on, bugger....

Isn't the fact that Gommersall walked away from his Torana the biggest testament to the safety of the corner?


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The infield section was ripped up in a number of places last time I saw it (a few years ago) and by now I'd suggest that there wouldn't be much of it left..
The GP infield circuit was ripped up in 2002, when they re-aligned the horse track. The final chicane at the Causeway was also modified at the same time due to this

Only the first hairpin off the backstraight and a few hundred metres before the rejoin at Dandenong Rd Corner remain.

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there is a 6 pm cut off at the track.

I reckon its more to do with ch ten wanting to go to the 5 pm news
Nothing to do with Channel 10 going to the news

The race had the same cut-off time when Channel 7 was covering the race from 2007 & 2012-2014, and the race also had the same cut-off time in the early 1990s when SBS was covering the event live.
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Nothing to do with Channel 10 going to the news

The race had the same cut-off time when Channel 7 was covering the race from 2007 & 2012-2014, and the race also had the same cut-off time in the early 1990s when SBS was covering the event live.
In ch 7s case it was also to do with the news

so whats the reason then if you think its different.

to get the trucks home for tea?

nearly every sunday event this year (and last) aims to be over so that ch 10 can run a 1 hour highlights package from 4-5pm before the news
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 11:49 (Ref:3768241)   #262
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Isn't the fact that Gommersall walked away from his Torana the biggest testament to the safety of the corner?
This. Same goes for the other shunts on the weekend (and last year for that matter).

Clearly the safety apparatus is working fine at that corner. No doubt it'll get looked at in the light of this year's shunts (normal procedure) and there may be some tweaking but in reality the lack of injuries seems to show that status quo is OK.
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This. Same goes for the other shunts on the weekend (and last year for that matter).

Clearly the safety apparatus is working fine at that corner. No doubt it'll get looked at in the light of this year's shunts (normal procedure) and there may be some tweaking but in reality the lack of injuries seems to show that status quo is OK.
1 hour delay to fix things (over 2 hours for the weekend) suggest it needs work.

$1M of damage suggest it could be improved if possible
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 12:35 (Ref:3768256)   #264
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1 hour delay to fix things (over 2 hours for the weekend) suggest it needs work.

$1M of damage suggest it could be improved if possible
The fix time was unfortunate but we've seen delays before (for example at Turn 2 Bathurst) - I think it's important to accept that the wet weather / muddy quagmire didn't help the speed of the repair process.

Safety structures have nothing whatsoever to do with damage costs - the structures (including the design of cars) are there to protect humans and if the car is knocked around in that process, so be it.
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1 hour delay to fix things (over 2 hours for the weekend) suggest it needs work.

$1M of damage suggest it could be improved if possible
The best choice --- given that increase the runoff area size isn't possible due to site constraints -- would be to replace that turn with a nice, safe low speed series of chicanes. I noticed there is some infield space between the horse and car circuits where a low speed chicane could be created to slow the cars well down.
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In ch 7s case it was also to do with the news
Nope, it wasn't

Channel 7, for decades, has always had it's nightly news at 6pm, including the years it telecasted the V8s.
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The best choice --- given that increase the runoff area size isn't possible due to site constraints -- would be to replace that turn with a nice, safe low speed series of chicanes. I noticed there is some infield space between the horse and car circuits where a low speed chicane could be created to slow the cars well down.
There is horse racing track approximately 20 metres from the race track edge at the widest gap between the 2 but much closer than that for most of the back straight. It's not as green as the "main" horse track layout so I don't know how much it is used but it's there.
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I don't think outright saftey is a massive issue at the corner as history shows us, it's more the repair time that needs addressing. Cam and rich most likely wouldn't have won if the wall was back together even ten minutes quicker. Ifs and buts I know, but food for thought
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Yeah, another round of pitstops and possibly a safety car would have thrown 4 or 5 more cars into the mix.
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Nope, it wasn't

Channel 7, for decades, has always had it's nightly news at 6pm, including the years it telecasted the V8s.
are you sure about sundays?

So whats the reasoning?

i was watching the end of the 2003 race, it was time certain also
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are you sure about sundays?
Yes, 6pm news on a Sunday for Channel 7, has been the same for decades

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So whats the reasoning?
It is the track curfew, has been the same on race day for years

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i was watching the end of the 2003 race, it was time certain also
And the 1992 race was time certain too, on SBS
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Interesting how PRA can win enduros off the back of track repairs...

Also, what is with the **** penalties?

Coulthard gets a penality for a bump and run, but the penalty is 5 seconds and doesn't affect the race order, what a crock of ****.

If someone made an infraction to make a place surely the penality has to be position+more to make it a deterrent?
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Yes, 6pm news on a Sunday for Channel 7, has been the same for decades



It is the track curfew, has been the same on race day for years



And the 1992 race was time certain too, on SBS
But why was saturday and friday run to 6pm if its a track curfew?

The info on the sandown website makes no comment on sunday being different to saturday. Just 6pm

Im telling you its to the do with the news on ch 10. what happened in the past is unrelated. ch ten have a race day program that finishes at 5pm for the news and want to keep sandown consistant with that

It treats bathurst different as it our rates the news
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But why was saturday and friday run to 6pm if its a track curfew?

The info on the sandown website makes no comment on sunday being different to saturday. Just 6pm

Im telling you its to the do with the news on ch 10. what happened in the past is unrelated. ch ten have a race day program that finishes at 5pm for the news and want to keep sandown consistant with that

It treats bathurst different as it our rates the news
The Sandown track curfew is day dependent, depending on permit from council.
Friday and Saturday 8.00am to 6.00pm.
Sunday 9.00am to 5.00pm.

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