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Old 6 Dec 2004, 12:42 (Ref:1172199)   #1
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The future of the DTM

Yes, I know this is the sportscar and GT forum, but bear with me.

When the DTM/ITC collapsed at the end of 1996, Mercedes-Benz, the only manufacturer still committed after the withdrawal of Opel and Alfa Romeo, switched across to the then-new FIA GT Championship. So, might Mercedes-Benz be tempted to do the same for 2006 if the DTM can't find a new manufacturer to replace Opel? Audi will have their new prototype to race and so might decide that spending all that money just competing against Mercedes-Benz isn't worth it. AMG Mercedes-Benz SL600 for GTs?
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Old 6 Dec 2004, 12:48 (Ref:1172207)   #2
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I'm not so certain that Mercedes would come back to Sportscars after their flying car tricks. Yes, I appreciate that the odds of a "GT" flying are much less then the LMP's and Real GT1 class were, yet that black eye is still there.

I would think that if we were to see Daimler/Chrysler again, it would be a new Viper and now an Uber Coupe from Mercedes.
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Old 6 Dec 2004, 13:47 (Ref:1172295)   #3
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Could the SL600 be made into a reasonable GT car? The V12 is, I think, normally-aspirated (of course the supercharged V8s are problematic).
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What is the maximum capacity for a blown motor in FIA GT?
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What is the maximum capacity for a blown motor in FIA GT?
4000cc.

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Old 6 Dec 2004, 15:51 (Ref:1172497)   #6
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4000cc.

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Thats twin turbo, right Cybersdorf? Im not 100% sure though...
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Old 6 Dec 2004, 15:53 (Ref:1172501)   #7
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And supercharged engines are banned anyway, aren't they? Or maybe not. Someone will know.
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From the FIA GT regulations:


5.4 Supercharged engines

The maximum capacity of supercharged engines is 4000cm³.

5.4.1) A compressor and/or turbocharger may only be used if such systems are fitted to the road car homologated by the FIA or from the list of acceptable cars drawn up by the FIA or if the car is homologated in N-GT and has a normally aspirated engine as standard. If the car is homologated in N-GT and has a normally aspirated engine as standard, the supercharging system must be homologated in VO by the manufacturer. For cars from the list of "Super Cars", the whole original supercharging system must be retained and not modified, with the exception of exchangers and pipes between the supercharging device, the intercooler and the manifold.

5.4.2) The engine air intake system must be fitted with one or two air restrictors 3 mm long with maximum diameters set out in Appendix 2. They must be made of metal or metal alloy and must be entirely visible once the bonnet is open and without dismounting any element or cover.


5.4.3) All restrictors must be placed no further than 50 mm from the forward face of the compressor wheel blades.

5.4.4) All the air feeding the engine must pass through these restrictors. Sealing the restrictors must lead to the immediate stopping of the engine. This check must be made at an engine speed of 2500 rpm. Pressure sensors present inside the intake system must be disconnected.

5.4.5) The right is reserved, by the Sporting Authority of the relevant Championship, to adjust the size of these air restrictors to maximise equality of performance.

5.4.6) Supercharged cars must not be equipped with any device which allows the boost pressure, or the electronic management system controlling the boost pressure, to be adjusted while the car is in motion.

5.4.7) Variable diameter inlets and adjustable internal vanes on turbochargers are forbidden. If the original car is fitted with such a system, this system must be neutralised or dismounted.
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And supercharged engines are banned anyway, aren't they? Or maybe not. Someone will know.
In DTM, yes. In FIA-GT, no.
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Ah well, in any event, the blown V8s are too big for GT1, so it would have to be a normally-aspirated engine anyway.
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Whats the chances of Mercedes entering PROCAR with their DTM cars. Afterall the series does have a touring car 'special' class.

I wouldn't rule out a LMP or GT project as they could compete in the LMES, ALMS and also FIA GT if they chose the GT1 route.

They do not neccessarily have to enter Le Mans. They refused to race their in 1990 when it was not a World Championship event.

Then again with the new aero regs in LMP1 they may well be willing to race again.

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Whats the chances of Mercedes entering PROCAR with their DTM cars.
Zero. why ever should they.
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Well, I could foresee circumstances under which the DTM folded and they had to find a home somewhere. Procar isn't such a stretch.
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maybe they would enter the nurburgring 24 hours as well. every other german manufacturer with a car that is eligable seems to.
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maybe they would enter the nurburgring 24 hours as well. every other german manufacturer with a car that is eligable seems to.
Seemed to.
Only one will be left next year.
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