[Rules] Future Rule Changes

[S griffin]

So we're not going to have the rule changes till 2022 now. Seems everything that can go wrong has gone wrong. Have to wait another season for closer racing, although at this time I just want to see racing full stop. For all we complain about what is wrong with F1, it's the old cliche, you miss it more when it's gone.

[Adam43]

Not only delayed rule change, but the suggestion here is that teams Weill use theOr 2020 chassis next year!
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...teams-approval

Originally Posted by Chase Carey

Regarding the postponement of the 2021 regulations, he added: "Due to the currently volatile financial situation this has created, it has been agreed that teams will use their 2020 chassis for 2021, with the potential freezing of further components to be discussed in due course.

Interesting and sensible move.

It seems like all the teams are pretty happy with their chassis...

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Not only delayed rule change, but the suggestion here is that teams Weill use theOr 2020 chassis next year!
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...teams-approval


Interesting and sensible move.

It seems like all the teams are pretty happy with their chassis...

It has to be the way to go, also because it is entirely possible 2021 is the first time the 2020 cars are running on track competitively..

[E.B]

Help with any Budget Cap restrictions too. I think the new regulations have been put off until 2022 but not the budget cap, that is still on for 2021..

[S griffin]

Of course there were once was a time a car could last several seasons like the Maserati 250F or the Williams FW07. It will be hard for those who’s cars aren’t fast enough this season, but of course they can always upgrade their cars. Might also be a problem if Merc have a dominant car for this season, as there a more chance of the status quo contuining

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Of course there were once was a time a car could last several seasons like the Maserati 250F or the Williams FW07. It will be hard for those who’s cars aren’t fast enough this season, but of course they can always upgrade their cars. Might also be a problem if Merc have a dominant car for this season, as there a more chance of the status quo contuining

The rule set would mean that for '21 the cars have to remain as they are now i believe?

The last multi season chassis was the Mac 17 which I think ran for 3 years, and got better each year which was quite amazing!!

[S griffin]

The MP-17 was introduced in 2002 and an updated version they used for 2003 as a stopgap for MP-18 which never raced

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by S griffin

The MP-17 was introduced in 2002 and an updated version they used for 2003 as a stopgap for MP-18 which never raced

I thought it first raced in 2001?

[bjohnsonsmith]

The MP4-17 was raced in 2002 and 2003 because the MP4-18, which was designed for 2003, suffered crash test and reliability problems.

[Knowlesy]

It was renamed 17D for 2003, the D standing for 'development'. A bit odd, given that all actual development was directed towards the absolutely hateful MP4-18.

And still they nearly nabbed a driver's title.

[S griffin]

Yeah, that title chance was mainly due to Kimi’s consistency and the new for 2003 points system. Still it was quite an achievement considering

[chillibowl]

Presumably McLaren will need a new chassis in 2021 to pair with their new Merc engine deal no?

[chillibowl]

Also does Ferrari show up with the same car in 2021 as the one that let them down in pre season testing this year?

And if the rules get pushed back does another team (racing point clone) show up with a DAS feature?

[wolfhound]

DAS is an interesting one as the chassis design would have to allow it as the chassis design is fixed. McLaren should be able to fit the Merc motor as all the location points are common to all engines along with overall dimensions. However there may be issues related to things like cooling etc.

[chillibowl]

is the chassis fixed?

i thought the 2021 rules had just been pushed back to 2022 and if the 2020 rules apply to 2021 now, then DAS should be allowed for 2021(as the rule excluding it has now been pushed to 2022)...rather teams, as always, should presumably be allowed to build as many new tubs as they want provided they adhere to the 2020 regs.

this is all assumption on my part so could be very wrong on this.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

is the chassis fixed?

i thought the 2021 rules had just been pushed back to 2022 and if the 2020 rules apply to 2021 now, then DAS should be allowed for 2021(as the rule excluding it has now been pushed to 2022)...rather teams, as always, should presumably be allowed to build as many new tubs as they want provided they adhere to the 2020 regs.

this is all assumption on my part so could be very wrong on this.

The chassis being fixed comes from this quote:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...teams-approval

Originally Posted by Chase Carey

Regarding the postponement of the 2021 regulations, he added: "Due to the currently volatile financial situation this has created, it has been agreed that teams will use their 2020 chassis for 2021, with the potential freezing of further components to be discussed in due course.

Only thing I've seen on it though.

[chillibowl]

I hadn't read that.

[S griffin]

It's probably for the best they are keeping the same cars for next season. Maybe they can reduce the downforce on them to not leave us too disappointed, but I'm probably dreaming

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

Presumably McLaren will need a new chassis in 2021 to pair with their new Merc engine deal no?

I believe that engine mount points were standardized years ago. So a current monocoque could bolt to any power unit hypothetically. But clearly packaging of everything else related to the power unit would need to be reworked. Think of Brawn GP switching from Honda to Mercedes power.

Also, when they say "chassis" what exactly do they mean? And as much as they say things will be frozen, teams will develop as much as they can before 2021 season.

Richard

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Also, when they say "chassis" what exactly do they mean? And as much as they say things will be frozen, teams will develop as much as they can before 2021 season.

I'm not sure what they actually mean, but I would have imagined one way to control this is:

'All components, as fitted when subjected to crash safety tests' might be a good starting point?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Teams have now been banned from any further development of 2022 cars this year.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/2...-2020/4775364/

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Teams have now been banned from any further development of 2022 cars this year.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/2...-2020/4775364/

Good idea. I wonder how that might be enforced?

Richard

[broadrun96]

I think the teams have realized the need to enforce it themselves. The money being restricted by reduced racing gives FOM/FIA a chance to really put the screws to teams they think are jumping the gun. I'm guessing you'll find more than a few restrictions being snuck in the fine print requiring disclosure of time and large penalties for cheating it. If they don't add them now there's no better time

[bjohnsonsmith]

Further to this year's ban, teams are looking to a delay of the new rules until 2023.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...-delay-to-2023

[MissClarrpz]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Good idea. I wonder how that might be enforced?

FIA has CCTV of F1 wind tunnels and as new cars look different to current generation they can spot that. For CFD not too sure but they might need to report what data crunching they do???