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Old 18 Jun 2015, 20:08 (Ref:3551979)   #1
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Dunlop Historic tyre supply problems?

On another forum a competitor has explained that he is experiencing difficulties getting the right tyres for his Imp.

Someone posted the following in reply,

"There are a lot of issues with reliable supplies of CR65 M and particularly L section historic since Dunlop switched production from Fort Dunlop to Portugal.."

I have no idea whether this right or not. Has anyone else experienced problems, are there alternative manufacturers of suitable tyres?
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Old 18 Jun 2015, 22:55 (Ref:3552028)   #2
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Old 18 Jun 2015, 23:01 (Ref:3552030)   #3
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Both along stones and HP tyres have them instock
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Old 18 Jun 2015, 23:02 (Ref:3552031)   #4
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Old 19 Jun 2015, 04:57 (Ref:3552057)   #5
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Yes, the matter was discussed on here and from memory even prompted a post from a man at Dunlop.

Supply is supposed to now be OK, but as I haven't had to buy any since March can't confirm personally! I did hear rumblings at Snetterton last weekend (from a competitor or two in the 3 hr), that they were 'hoping' tyres needed for the race would be delivered to the circuit, as they hadn't been at earlier events.

Sounds like even if production is now all OK, Dunlop may still have a lack of confidence among customers to overcome......
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Old 19 Jun 2015, 11:09 (Ref:3552118)   #6
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HP had definitely run out of 4.50 M 13 last week at Snetterton - I had the last pair and these were thanks to another customer reducing his order so that I could race. They were hoping to be restocked in about 2 weeks.
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Old 19 Jun 2015, 11:22 (Ref:3552122)   #7
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Didnt know that this had been discussed before, sorry, and it doesn't really affect me but in the spirit of using the forum more I thought I'd bring it up!

Not sure why Dunlop have a position of almost monopoly in the historic racing world, and if they are struggling to meet the needs of the sport then perhaps it's time to look for alternative suppliers. I know that the Clubmans Register approached Hancook and they now produce suitable alternatives.
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Old 19 Jun 2015, 11:47 (Ref:3552126)   #8
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HP Tyres tend to do a backlog of orders, normally taking about a week to come. Them and Longstones are most reliable
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Old 19 Jun 2015, 18:01 (Ref:3552218)   #9
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Cool.. I must be getting Famous..I am getting quoted on the Forums now
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Old 21 Jun 2015, 00:14 (Ref:3552558)   #10
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Understand the 19 inch tyres will not be available until end of year.

We are screwed as not much any good for pre war rallies on our cars.
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Old 21 Jun 2015, 08:09 (Ref:3552636)   #11
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some 15 inchers were not availabe in May
what you get is crap answers "due next week"
if course they dont turn up

My Mitter Junior races on 3 year old tires, thanx to Dunlop

I think the situation is a disgrace

Historic tire supply should be put to tender as whole or broken down into age groups

just look at how much better Avon performs compared to Dunlop

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Old 21 Jun 2015, 10:45 (Ref:3552674)   #12
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I still don't understand why Dunlop predominate in historic racing?
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Old 21 Jun 2015, 17:15 (Ref:3552751)   #13
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because Dunlop tires are made compulsory by the regulation of many historic race series

by the FIA for some such as Lurani / Formula Junior
and by the organisers for other race series

was a good idea while it worked
not a good idea anymore

put it out to tender

let manufacturers such as Avon or Blockley do a better job...

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Old 21 Jun 2015, 21:37 (Ref:3552826)   #14
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You get the crazy situation whereby Dunlop sponsor some of the historic races at say the Ring and due to non supply competitors get dispensation to run Avons which are better anyway!!
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Old 21 Jun 2015, 21:59 (Ref:3552828)   #15
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Yep, even when Dunlops are available in Germany they are allowed to run Avons at the Norschleife if it rains. Even though the race is sponsored by Dunlop.

What does that say!??
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Old 21 Jun 2015, 22:01 (Ref:3552830)   #16
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And I'm sure the CR65s don't last as long as they used to. My past two sets have been spanked in 2 races (with a ratty MGB)
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Old 22 Jun 2015, 14:09 (Ref:3553036)   #17
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just to clear this up

Avon performing against Dunlop

I did not mean how the actual tires compare
I meant supply and availability

What i meant was that in the championships where Avons are compulsory such as CF3 DBT and HFO
everey competitor can be sure to get the Avon tires that he needs

in general economic terms:
if somebody is granted the advantage of a monopoly by legal bodies, this is always on the assumption that in return for the economic advantage supply is then assured by the beneficiary of the monopoly

as i said: the situation is scandalous and Dunlop should be barred as monopoly protected supplier of control tires for a year or two until they clean up their act

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Old 22 Jun 2015, 14:45 (Ref:3553049)   #19
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Yes fair point - this is supposed to be about supply and the current monopoly that exists (that I too don't understand!); the choice that has been made for us certainly isn't based on performance though...
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I see elsewhere that the Mini 7 and Miglia crowd are also experiencing severe difficulties in getting tyres, and Dunlop sponsor them!
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I had a long conversation with someone who has worked first hand
with both British and Portuguese Dunlops.

In short, the quality can be very poor and they are different.

I bought a set of new L's for my B last week. To my surprise they were
UK stock!
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I had a long conversation with someone who has worked first hand
with both British and Portuguese Dunlops.

In short, the quality can be very poor and they are different.

I bought a set of new L's for my B last week. To my surprise they were
UK stock!
Is there a way to tell the difference?
The only new Portugese tyres I have used self-destructed after 45 mins!
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Is there a way to tell the difference?
The only new Portugese tyres I have used self-destructed after 45 mins!
The chap who buffs my tyres identified my latest set as being from local stock.

He said that the carcass is different and the quality differs significantly from tyre to tyre. He spends most of his time trying to make then roundish.

Both are marked as made in the UK. Perhaps as a homage to all our tax money we paid to relocate a British factory and jobs to Portugal.
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Wasn't it as a result of Jaguar Land Rover offering a small fortune for the land upon which Dunlop MS was based in Castle Bromwich?

In any case, I'm not looking having to go back to the "normal tyre" we use in Germany having raced on Avon CR6ZZs for the first time this season. Last longer and much more predictable (I'm sure CR65s were more fun a few years ago?)

I am right in saying there are equivalent historic Michelins and Goodyears etc that are kind to old car's suspension? Why isn't there more competition for supply deals? is it worth it for the other manufacturers?
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Michelin TB15s-brilliant.Goodyears Bluestreak is also very good-used to be used as a wet tyre years ago but not used them in the wet, yet!!
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