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Old 30 Nov 2017, 06:49 (Ref:3784243)   #211
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It's all about Fiat, you do know Ferrari and Alfa Romeo are both owned by Fiat, right? (don't mean it in a patronizing manner, btw)
Actually, I thought the situation was different as of 2016.
Only going off Wikipedia information, the details given are that as part of the FIAT reorganisation, FIAT Chrysler Automobile (FCA) broke off ownership of Ferrari.

'The separation began in October 2015 with a restructuring that established Ferrari N.V. (a company incorporated in the Netherlands) as the new holding company of the Ferrari group and the subsequent sale by FCA of 10% of the shares in an IPO and concurrent listing of common shares on the New York Stock Exchange. Through the remaining steps of the separation, FCA's interest in Ferrari's business was distributed to shareholders of FCA, with 10% continuing to be owned by Piero Ferrari. The spin-off was completed on 3 January 2016.'

I understand that Marchione is the CEO of both Ferrari and FCA, and that there may be a lot of common shareholders, but legally they are two separate companies with entirely different ownership.

How that affects the topic of this thread, I am unsure. I would imagine though that owners of FCA shares (and subsequently those with a stake in Alfa-Romeo-Sauber) are not by default automatically concerned with Ferrari's own performance.
Alfa-Romeo-Sauber may however be Marchione's foothold in F1 though if he goes ahead with the threat to take Ferrari elsewhere. And as a title sponsor, without actually supplying much in the way of components, it makes sense for Alfa-Romeo.
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Old 30 Nov 2017, 09:23 (Ref:3784263)   #212
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A little simplistic, Mike, bearing in mind that the Agnelli family essentially own most of FIAT (only fair, since they founded it), and most of the Ferrari shares went to Fiat shareholders.......

Richard, don't forget that that article was written in 2014, and included a lot of speculation.

Today, the Agnelli family's holding through their investment vehicle is down to 25.8% of Ferrari NV Race. They have been selling off their shares very gently since the IPO from the original, or so I believe, 33%.

Life's too short to get into more delving, and anyway, who knows who really owns all the shares when a lot of them are held by nominees on behalf of the beneficial owners.
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 17:43 (Ref:3785683)   #213
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In addition to Alfa Romeo-Sauber it seems that now we could also have Maserati-Haas next year. All cars with Ferrari engines.


My question is:
How different or how similar could this Alfa Romeo-Sauber or Maserati-Haas be on the Ferrari SF18-H?
How far do the regulations allow them to get closer?
6 Ferraris in the grid could be very useful to subtract points to Hamilton on the tracks that the Ferrari is competitive as it happened several times this year.
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