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Old 26 Nov 2017, 20:45 (Ref:3783268)   #1171
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Speaking of money...will an F1 team win a tender to manufacture and sell the devise to the other downstream categories? Or will the FIA pick a company outside of F1...and obviously realize a kickback for handing out that contract (I say cynically).

Actually surprised that the teams themselves were not so willing to spend the time developing something they could have sold on much like McLaren do with their ECU. Could have been a nice little earner.

Now waiting to see what happens when they try to force this on FE.
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Old 26 Nov 2017, 22:30 (Ref:3783283)   #1172
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Speaking of money...will an F1 team win a tender to manufacture and sell the devise to the other downstream categories? Or will the FIA pick a company outside of F1...and obviously realize a kickback for handing out that contract (I say cynically).
you'll have to ask dallara... it's mostly their problem. expect the mygale f4 one to be made out of bog roll tubes though

that's actually one of my bigger concerns tbh. it's all very well having this abomination in f1 but imposing it on lower formulae is a bit draconian.
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Old 26 Nov 2017, 23:17 (Ref:3783303)   #1173
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The weight problem isn’t the same as the getting the driver out or the visibility issues. Those two other problems clearly need more effort to overcome than the halo. They also still have the weight issue that the halo has. So there is only one of these to overcome with the halo and three of these to overcome with the shield. The shield clearly needs more development time because of this.

Not that I’m saying the weight thing isn’t unimportant.

The shield has only one test session. Why? Well the teams are as much to blame as the FIA. If they had tried harder then they could have demonstrated it to the FIA. Given more information and pushed it to the same standard or ahead of the halo.

And I’ll return to my previous comment. If the halo had a performance advantage then Force India, or whichever team, would have solved it by now. As they haven’t what hope was there for them to solve the other challenged with the shield.

I don’t think that the crash test is relevant. IIRC the halo is tested in a different way. One is the entire chassis holding together and absorbing an impact with, say a wall. The halls job is different.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not claiming it is ultimately better. Just that it is at the moment.

The teams are acting more like fans at the moment, they’re just sitting there are moaning. Politicking if you like, knowing that the press pick up their comment and write the story. Perhaps they, with the FIA, should put more effort into this. The geniuses are in the teams, as are the moaners.

To summarise. The halo has one problem to overcome. The shield three problems. The shield could be the better solution, but needs more development. Which no one has been arsed to do.
IndyCar have rejected the Halo, because of the ovals, so it will be interesting to see how they deal with these three problems the Shield potentially faces, if and when they arise during testing.
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Old 26 Nov 2017, 23:31 (Ref:3783310)   #1174
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IndyCar have rejected the Halo, because of the ovals, so it will be interesting to see how they deal with these three problems the Shield potentially faces, if and when they arise during testing.
Does IndyCar race in wet weather? If no then the Aeroscreen should work.

Don't follow the series, but I do remember a race years ago where IndyCar drivers turned into marshmallows when water was added.
They were on the radios wanting the race to be stopped when it started to drizzle. Lost interest there and then.
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Old 26 Nov 2017, 23:44 (Ref:3783315)   #1175
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Does IndyCar race in wet weather? If no then the Aeroscreen should work.

Don't follow the series, but I do remember a race years ago where IndyCar drivers turned into marshmallows when water was added.
They were on the radios wanting the race to be stopped when it started to drizzle. Lost interest there and then.
Not on ovals, otherwise yes. There's been a lot of great racing, wet or dry, you've missed out.
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Old 27 Nov 2017, 06:01 (Ref:3783368)   #1176
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IndyCar have rejected the Halo, because of the ovals, so it will be interesting to see how they deal with these three problems the Shield potentially faces, if and when they arise during testing.
Iím trying to remember, was it the visibility on the ovals. i.e. they tend to often look at the same angle where the halo support might be?

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Not on ovals, otherwise yes. There's been a lot of great racing, wet or dry, you've missed out.
Yes, Indycar can be fun in the wet. There seems to be less marshmallowness than F1.
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Now if only they could make the halo out of transparent material..
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Old 27 Nov 2017, 09:46 (Ref:3783418)   #1178
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Now if only they could make the halo out of transparent material..
Oh, and wrap it round the entire cockpit... You're onto something there. Get onto Mr Newey at once!
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Iím trying to remember, was it the visibility on the ovals. i.e. they tend to often look at the same angle where the halo support might be?

Yes, Indycar can be fun in the wet. There seems to be less marshmallowness than F1.
Yes, the Halo's hoop interferes with the driverís sightlines on banked ovals, as the driver has to look up and around the turns.
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So the Aero Parts have appeared in the Mclearn already

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