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Old 26 Nov 2017, 22:00 (Ref:3783280)   #316
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Easy win for Dan.
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Old 27 Nov 2017, 14:20 (Ref:3783484)   #317
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With the season complete the following facts are evident:

- VER suffered 7 DNFs in the first 14 races for a very disrupted start to the season but with a clean run since Malaysia has scored the equal top points with Hamilton, scoring two 1st places, a 2nd place, a 4th and a couple of 5ths.
- Over the full season VER finished on the podium 4 times out of 13 finishes (31% of the time) and had an average finishing position of 4.23 for average points of 12.9 per race.
- RIC suffered 6 DNFs with a cluster of 3 in the last 4 races.
- Over the full season RIC finished on the podium 9 times out of 14 finishes (64% of the time) and had an average finishing position of 3.43 for average points of 14.3 (ie outscoring VER by 1.4 points per race over the full season).
- RICís podium percentage is remarkable in the 3rd best car and is comparable to VET (13 podiums out of 18 finishes for 72%) and HAM (13 out of 20 finishes for 65%) and BOT (13 out of 19 finishes for 68%) and well ahead of RAI (7 podiums out of 16 finishes for 44%). This stat probably best highlights RICís strength of realising most of carís potential on Sunday.
- In the 7 races VER & RIC both finished, VER won 5 Ė 2, outscoring RIC by 91 points to 87.
- In qualifying head to head, there was a clear advantage to VER by 13 Ė 7 with an average gap of .135 (excluding where one or other of them failed to set a representative time because of equipment failure or crash). Interestingly, at the start of the year and at the end of the year they were much better matched (up until the 9th race in Austria they were 5-4 in VERís favour and in the last 5 since Japan they were 3-2 in RICís favour). It was the stretch from Silverstone (where RIC went out of Q1 with turbo failure) through to Malaysia inclusive where VER won the qualifying battle 6-0 (but worth noting in this period, in 3 of those qualifying battles the difference was no more than 5 hundredths and in 1 RIC had suffered turbo failure and went out in Q1).
- Over the full season in 2017, RIC outscored VER by 200 to 168. Even if VER had one less DNF (so they both had 6) and managed to finish first in that race, he still wouldnít have beaten Dan in the points table. This follows their time together in 2016 where RIC outscored VER by 220 to 191 in the races they were both in the same car. Looking at the 2016 results compared to 2017 suggests that VER is improving (he was outqualified last year by 11-6 with an average gap of 0.228 and outraced last year when they both finished by 9-7 and a total of 14 points)

All of this suggests to me that these two remain exceedingly closely matched but looking at the trend from last year to this year, and VERís underlying pace, I can see why Red Bull have chosen to build the team around him going forward.

RIC remains my personal favourite and I will continue to point out that he has beaten VER in 100% of the seasons they have been in the same car (unless of course VER manages to beat him for the first time next year)


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Old 7 Dec 2017, 12:44 (Ref:3785639)   #318
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Easy win for Dan.
Even the F1 team bosses can see that Max is the better driver....

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F1 team bosses have voted on the drivers of the year.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/top-10-grand-prix-drivers-team-principals-poll-986695/

Pos. Driver Team Pts. 2017/2016
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 233 No change
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 143 No change
3 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 141 Up two
4 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 112 No change
5 Esteban Ocon Force India 73 New entry
6 Fernando Alonso McLaren 65 No change
=7 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 49 No change
=7 Carlos Sainz STR/Renault 49 Up two
9 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 47 New entry
10 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 39 Down one
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Old 8 Dec 2017, 23:18 (Ref:3785946)   #319
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And Verstappen also just took the award for Personality Of The Year at the FiA Gala. An award most were expecting Ricciardo to take home.


Looks like the bias against Ricciardo has already begun...
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Old 9 Dec 2017, 09:43 (Ref:3785985)   #320
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Looks like the bias against Ricciardo has already begun...
It's not bias, but recognition of the plain truth....
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Old 9 Dec 2017, 10:06 (Ref:3785988)   #321
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I am impressed by how Max didn't let himself get down after so much bad luck and DNFs out of his control and showed what should have been at the end of the season
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I am impressed by how Max didn't let himself get down after so much bad luck and DNFs out of his control and showed what should have been at the end of the season
If there were any doubts about the toughness of Max's character they were answered in the last few months of the season.Post Singapore he was mega.
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Max Verstappen has a boring personality and gets his charisma from Dan. No wonder Dan beat Max in points again.
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Max Verstappen has a boring personality and gets his charisma from Dan. No wonder Dan beat Max in points again.
When did they start handing out points for personality and charisma?
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When did they start handing out points for personality and charisma?
you replied to a comment about the award. 😂😂😂
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Max losing to Daniel 2 years in a row in the points tally hahhaha
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When did they start handing out points for personality and charisma?
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