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Old 17 Nov 2017, 20:27 (Ref:3781098)   #16
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i thought they said the same after original class 1 regulations.
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Old 18 Nov 2017, 00:04 (Ref:3781140)   #17
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Good PR spin here. Is it really a merger?
Can't agree more. Seems a journo will fly back home in first class!

Would you pay $1 to see a picture of Ribeiro and Lotti together signing that agreement? I'd!
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Old 19 Nov 2017, 14:07 (Ref:3781490)   #18
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WTCC drivers comment possible TCR/WTCC merger
https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...crwtcc-merger/
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Old 20 Nov 2017, 05:01 (Ref:3781607)   #19
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The move to TCR is great, but it would be a shame if WTCC gets downgraded to a World Cup... TCR would shine even more with manufacturer backed teams like BTCC.

And from a branding standpoint a privareer world cup just dosent sell.
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Old 20 Nov 2017, 09:12 (Ref:3781628)   #20
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Whilst it's a bummer if there'll be no official manufacturer teams, I imagine (much like GT3) there'll be manufacturer backed/supported/approved (however you want to call them) teams bringing a high level of professionalism to the series.

For example if JAS run their own team then I'd still expect it to have Castrol backing and some of the Honda 'factory drivers' (much like RJN's GT-R's run under Nissan's lubricant partner Motul's sponsorship and draw from their pool of drivers).

Unless Volvo cobble together a V40 TCR (something they already didn't fancy doing to stay in the STCC), I guess that's them out!
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Old 20 Nov 2017, 09:58 (Ref:3781637)   #21
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Maybe the grid will be bigger and the races will be more spectacular, but without factory teams thre will be very few private teams who can pay decent salary to quality drivers.


I still think TCR are designed to national or regional championship.

TC1 rules could work with some minor modifications and a less dumb series management/promoter (big holes in the calendar, race tracks where racing is impossible, tie the hands of Citroens rivals with the stupid joker system, etc.)

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Whilst it's a bummer if there'll be no official manufacturer teams, I imagine (much like GT3) there'll be manufacturer backed/supported/approved (however you want to call them) teams bringing a high level of professionalism to the series.

For example if JAS run their own team then I'd still expect it to have Castrol backing and some of the Honda 'factory drivers' (much like RJN's GT-R's run under Nissan's lubricant partner Motul's sponsorship and draw from their pool of drivers).

Unless Volvo cobble together a V40 TCR (something they already didn't fancy doing to stay in the STCC), I guess that's them out!
JAS build the TCR cars, so I doubt they will run a team.

They might run a GT3 team next year (or a Honda/Accura DPi)
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Old 20 Nov 2017, 10:26 (Ref:3781645)   #22
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Unless Volvo cobble together a V40 TCR (something they already didn't fancy doing to stay in the STCC), I guess that's them out!
Volvo has discontinued the V40 this year
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Old 20 Nov 2017, 10:41 (Ref:3781649)   #23
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I think this is the right move, grids were falling in the WTCC, whereas TCR has always had good grid numbers. So exciting times ahead, hopefully we can have quality and quantity in 2018
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Old 20 Nov 2017, 12:09 (Ref:3781666)   #24
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Current WTCC is not sustainable , TCR makes more economic sense and there is no reason why there cannot be works backed teams , the great bonus for TCR is the cars become an Asset for the teams that can be used year on year or sold on for not a lot of depreciation. Once British teams get a hold of the TCR concept even popular BTCC will be harder to sell to drivers. Every car maker has the ability to offer a TCR car , its probably the first time that Global Touring car racing has been able to offer an outlet for a showroom model without homologation specials ,yes it costs money to develop the cars into an end product but it gives the manufacturers an actual revenue stream related to motorsport , the quality of service and support for customer teams will be reflected by the manufacturers commitment and input. the grids should increase and the racing should become more open and related to talent from team and driver rather than massive budgets.even works paid drives may have the possibility to return , giving new talent a target to aspire to, or simply putting in a good even fight to the big boys will be massive reward.
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Old 20 Nov 2017, 12:39 (Ref:3781679)   #25
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The move to TCR is great, but it would be a shame if WTCC gets downgraded to a World Cup... TCR would shine even more with manufacturer backed teams like BTCC.

And from a branding standpoint a privareer world cup just dosent sell.
Exactly.
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Old 20 Nov 2017, 12:42 (Ref:3781682)   #26
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But who will promote the new championship, Eurosport or Lotti's WSC?
I hope Eurosport.

Even though the TC1 S2000 extension could be regarded as the beginning of the end, they still do a far better job at social media, website, videos and coverage with onboard cameras than WSC. Heck, even two commentators.
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Old 20 Nov 2017, 14:52 (Ref:3781713)   #27
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it would be a shame if WTCC gets downgraded to a World Cup...
Latins don't care much, as we say "el Mundial", "il Mondiale", "le Mondial".
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Old 20 Nov 2017, 20:06 (Ref:3781794)   #28
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I hope Eurosport.

Even though the TC1 S2000 extension could be regarded as the beginning of the end, they still do a far better job at social media, website, videos and coverage with onboard cameras than WSC. Heck, even two commentators.
I'm not saying TCR social media etc is great, but the accessibility of WTCC is terrible. Eurosport embargo any sort of availability of races on catchup unless you pay for their full service. At least with TCR every session is shown on YouTube and available on catchup, phenomenal.

Let's be honest, Martin Haven or the TCR commentator are both fairly poor, Tom Gaymor is a much more professional character.
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Old 21 Nov 2017, 00:29 (Ref:3781852)   #29
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there is no reason why there cannot be works backed teams
The only reason is there's no incentive to develop the cars as the rules I believe are strict and there's BoP, and manufacturers want wins, not just being on par with privateers.
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Old 21 Nov 2017, 01:55 (Ref:3781870)   #30
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I'm not saying TCR social media etc is great, but the accessibility of WTCC is terrible. Eurosport embargo any sort of availability of races on catchup unless you pay for their full service. At least with TCR every session is shown on YouTube and available on catchup, phenomenal.

Let's be honest, Martin Haven or the TCR commentator are both fairly poor, Tom Gaymor is a much more professional character.
Yeah, get rid of Eurosport, they're absolutely shite. They prioritise repeats of tennis over live coverage of a championship which they own and promote. Online streaming is the future of sports broadcasting and it works perfectly well for TCR and SRO championships.

Haven can stay as commentator. Yeah, he gets stuff wrong sometimes but I like his style. Tom Gaymor is one of the worst commentators I've ever had the misfortune of hearing, along with Toby Moody and Alex Jacques. How any of them remain employed in their current roles is a mystery.

Hopefully we'll hear more of Ben Edwards in the future after Channel 4's F1 contract ends. It's an absolute shame to have him being wasted on that rubbish.
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