jpm - just getting started

botsquad · 24 Aug 2001, 03:11 (Ref:135190)

jpm is still adjusting to all that is f1.
and there is a lot of........in f1..
ask eddie

there will be gobs of jpm fans when finally.....
the juan....has come back..to indy.

looking back on this season..the duels between tgf and
team williams have been 99% of the highlight reel.

kuchi · 24 Aug 2001, 13:07 (Ref:135327)

Finally someone to agree with. I also think that Monty can score his 1st win at indy, but can williams help him?. Every time he has been there, at the top, something unthinkable happens, I just wish on the US gp everything will come out good for us Jpm supporters.

Maxmil · 24 Aug 2001, 13:16 (Ref:135334)

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Originally posted by kuchi
I also think that Monty can score his 1st win at indy, but can williams help him?. Every time he has been there, at the top, something unthinkable happens.

You speak the truth. I don't really believe that he gains any advantage at all by running on the hybrid Indy circuit, but it would be a great venue for his first win in F1 after his 500 victory last year. Above all: I get to watch for the second time this season, so Go Go Go Juancho!

Speed · 27 Aug 2001, 01:08 (Ref:136252)

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Originally posted by kuchi
I also think that Monty can score his 1st win at indy...

Sorry, Kuchi, Monza will be his first !

Alan Jones · 27 Aug 2001, 04:04 (Ref:136269)

yes Speed, I think Monza might be Juan's first victory though I am praying he does it at Spa.That would rock a few schu fans " boats " wouldn't it!

Speed · 27 Aug 2001, 04:13 (Ref:136270)

Well Alan, at this stage I really don´t care about Schumies´ fans, I just want that this new guy gets his first, because he deserves it long time ago (since Interlagos !!!). Just a matter of luck... He was about to break a record by getting his first at his third GP, this guy has what it takes to beat a lot of experienced guys in this Series.

AGGY · 27 Aug 2001, 04:20 (Ref:136271)

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Originally posted by Speed
Sorry, Kuchi, Monza will be his first !

I`d be surprised if he won at all this year,he`s lacking confidence,look to Hungary for evidence,8th is not the performance of a top driver.

Being that he`s not going to better 4th postion next year,i think he should keep out of accidents in preparation for a return to cart in 03.

Ray Bell · 27 Aug 2001, 04:29 (Ref:136274)

Juan will be on the podium this year, and he'll probably be on the top step at least once.

But that, in all probability (and we'll wait till after it happens to see how AGGY explains it to us) will be because he has an unbeatable car and got lucky not to crash or break it.

AGGY · 27 Aug 2001, 04:41 (Ref:136279)

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Originally posted by Ray Bell
Juan will be on the podium this year, and he'll probably be on the top step at least once.

But that, in all probability (and we'll wait till after it happens to see how AGGY explains it to us) will be because he has an unbeatable car and got lucky not to crash or break it.

Wow,you certainly don`t have a high regard for him,thanks for the back up.

Speed · 27 Aug 2001, 04:42 (Ref:136281)

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Originally posted by Ray Bell
Juan will be on the podium this year

He was twice this year so far...

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray Bell
But that, in all probability (and we'll wait till after it happens to see how AGGY explains it to us) will be because he has an unbeatable car and got lucky not to crash or break it.

Who cares about Montoya´s bashers, anyway...

Go Montoya !

Ray Bell · 27 Aug 2001, 04:56 (Ref:136286)

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Originally posted by AGGY
Wow,you certainly don`t have a high regard for him,thanks for the back up.

I don't? How come then, I said he will be on the podium this year (yes, I should have said again this year, sorry Speed, must be starting to be swayed by some of AGGY's silliness.

And AGGY, for a change I decided to use a little sarcasm with you... guess it didn't work. Do you really think I would take a lot of notice of your explanations?

By the way, I'm not a real fan of Montoya's, but I think I'd like to see him up there to challenge Schumacher (Michael), especially after his effort at Interlagos.

I know, I know... you have an explanation for that one too...

Ralf's Girl · 27 Aug 2001, 11:08 (Ref:136367)

Montoya is without a doubt a very talented driver...however if he believes what he wrote in his column in Autosport to be true he needs his head reading:

"...there have been only two tracks - Monaco and here [Hungaroring] - where he [Ralf] was quicker than me..."

Surely that would make the qualifying comparison 11-2 in Montoya's favour, not 10-3 in Ralf's?

However, he will probably win a race this year, but it will be on a power circuit, and therefore partially the doing of the boys in Munich...

Blackjack21 · 27 Aug 2001, 11:31 (Ref:136387)

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However, he will probably win a race this year, but it will be on a power circuit, and therefore partially the doing of the boys in Munich...

Aren't those the same guys that help Ralf win?

paulzinho · 27 Aug 2001, 11:42 (Ref:136396)

To be honest i think an indy win for JPM could help significantly to win over the US crowd.

Note i said COULD.

Also as a Schuey fan i believe that Montoya is one of the best prospects around. Ok hes had a couple of duds so far but he has shown promise. Lets not remember how long it took Ralf to be established as one of the best in F1 at the moment. Anyway if i remember correctly juan wasnt particularly slow at monaco he just made a mistake. Many of the greats have crashed at monaco including Ascari, Senna and Schumi.

Ralf's Girl · 27 Aug 2001, 11:45 (Ref:136399)

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Originally posted by Blackjack21
Aren't those the same guys that help Ralf win?

True, but he's won on circuits that aren't just power circuits. I'd hardly call a start-to-finish thrashing by Ralf at Imola the result of a powerful engine.

Ray Bell · 27 Aug 2001, 12:09 (Ref:136424)

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Originally posted by paulzinho
Anyway if I remember correctly Juan wasnt particularly slow at monaco he just made a mistake. Many of the greats have crashed at Monaco including Ascari, Senna and Schumacher.

Not to mention other multiple world champs... Brabham (1970), Piquet (1981)... and single time champs like Hawthorn (1956?), Mansell, and probably more that I just can't think of right now... of course, Moss and Collins and many others did too. Tragically, Bandini among them.

Another was multiple pre-war champion Caracciola...

paulzinho · 27 Aug 2001, 12:13 (Ref:136431)

Did Prost crash in '82 or something... the one where no-one wanted to win... i'm not sure thats why i didnt mention it before.

Also single time champs crashing, i forgot mansell '84. where the white line stepped out!!

Ray Bell · 27 Aug 2001, 12:22 (Ref:136435)

Yes, Prost crashed in '82... did Stewart ever crash, I don't think Fangio did, which kind of leaves a short list of multiple champs who haven't, doesn't it?

paulzinho · 27 Aug 2001, 13:00 (Ref:136449)

OK then World Champion who have crashed at monaco:

Farina '50
Ascari '55
Hawthorn '57
Brabham '62, '69, '70(rejoined)
Clark '67
G Hill, '71
Hunt '75, '76
Jones '76, '79
Lauda '79, '84, '85
Prost '80, '82
Andretti '81
Piquet '81, '82, '85, '89, '91
Mansell '83,'84
Senna '88
Hill '94, '97
Hakkinen '94
M Schumacher '96
Villeneuve '96, '97

A fare few... by the way there was no Monaco GP for 3/4 years in the 1950's for Fangio to crash in!!!

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