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Old 12 Jun 2006, 04:51 (Ref:1632092)   #1
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Webber to Ferrari/Kimi to Renault ?

if flavio was smart he would pursuade the boys in red to take webber so then he can get kimi for the renault.and we all know flavio is a smart man.
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Old 12 Jun 2006, 06:23 (Ref:1632118)   #2
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Old 12 Jun 2006, 07:17 (Ref:1632144)   #3
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Old 12 Jun 2006, 07:51 (Ref:1632179)   #4
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Thats provided Kimi wants to go to Renault and Webber wants to go to Ferrari.

SFW has the power over Webber atm, and Flav can only offer Kimi a contract...
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Old 12 Jun 2006, 08:07 (Ref:1632193)   #5
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I'm sure SFW has say But Im sure Mark has a pefromance clause Flav is more than happy to flex
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Old 12 Jun 2006, 08:28 (Ref:1632212)   #6
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The performance clause has all been speculation. The only confirmed clause is SFW's option for a 3rd year.
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Old 12 Jun 2006, 08:33 (Ref:1632216)   #7
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Williams with a Toyota motor could be formidable. Monteiro was one of the fastest through the speedtraps yesterday... that engine's very powerful and not being done justice in the Midland or even the Toyota itself. Williams are a strong team with good people and good funding. Webber would be well advised to stay put... which I think he will.
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Old 12 Jun 2006, 08:47 (Ref:1632222)   #8
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Old 12 Jun 2006, 13:22 (Ref:1632457)   #9
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Williams with a Toyota motor could be formidable. Monteiro was one of the fastest through the speedtraps yesterday... that engine's very powerful and not being done justice in the Midland or even the Toyota itself. Williams are a strong team with good people and good funding. Webber would be well advised to stay put... which I think he will.
see this is the problem

the engine is not the issue and after the last Gp its even more clear
Williams can not build a good car ,
think about .. the Cossie has being a good Hp engine so far this year
and surprises surprises BMW Sauber are doing very well of later some could conclued that the BMW powerplant was never the issue last year fun how they seem to be doing well this year in Mr Saubers car . and it takes a GP track that been outdated for some 15yrs for the Williams to be quick and over the last 4 or so years thats the track williams have need to shine
Williams are a spent force and if you put a u beaut Toyota motor in next the same issue will be played sure may be more realible maybe ! but the car will be a pig /dog or what ever compared to the other top5 cars out there
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Williams can not build a good car , maybe in the past yes but that history

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Old 12 Jun 2006, 13:26 (Ref:1632460)   #10
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Old 13 Jun 2006, 00:59 (Ref:1633074)   #11
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williams just need to work their wind tunnel right and produce some good aero thats their problem and toyotas as well the toyota engine is argueablly one of the fastest out there with the renault the ferrari etc...
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Old 13 Jun 2006, 04:30 (Ref:1633118)   #12
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Monteiro was one of the fastest through the speedtraps yesterday....
That hapoens, when you have no down force you have no drag. When Minardi introduced thier new Chassis last year they became one of the faster cars in a straight line, but the lap was still slower. Also consider how often are the Renaults the fastest at the speed trap, rarely, but fastest lap, often.

On topic: I think Ferarri woud rather keep Massa than have Webber.
If Webber can I think he should go to Renault.
Intersting to note that on Channel 10 (Aus) interview the other day he did not dismiss other options, which he normally does outright. He just spoke about being carefull when the grass looks greener on the other side...
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Old 13 Jun 2006, 04:39 (Ref:1633119)   #13
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see this is the problem

the engine is not the issue and after the last Gp its even more clear
Williams can not build a good car ,
think about .. the Cossie has being a good Hp engine so far this year
and surprises surprises BMW Sauber are doing very well of later some could conclued that the BMW powerplant was never the issue last year fun how they seem to be doing well this year in Mr Saubers car . and it takes a GP track that been outdated for some 15yrs for the Williams to be quick and over the last 4 or so years thats the track williams have need to shine
Williams are a spent force and if you put a u beaut Toyota motor in next the same issue will be played sure may be more realible maybe ! but the car will be a pig /dog or what ever compared to the other top5 cars out there
as I said
Williams can not build a good car , maybe in the past yes but that history

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I think this year they did come up with a decent enough car though, its just suffering from a lack of development, as is the engine now supposedly. If the can get the Toyota engines, hopefully that means more money for the aero department.
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Old 13 Jun 2006, 16:55 (Ref:1633670)   #14
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Thumbs up for Kimi, he's a natural. Slight thumbs down to neutral for Mark, he's a bit overrated. Fluky results here and there, but not much else. Nico will trounce him this year.
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Old 13 Jun 2006, 17:10 (Ref:1633680)   #15
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Nico will "trounce him"? He has not so far, and I doubt he will in the remainder of the year. Nico has, however, been impressive.

They are a pretty evenly matched pair, with, IMHO, the edge going to Webber so far (thanks to his experience).
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Old 13 Jun 2006, 18:02 (Ref:1633708)   #17
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Nico will "trounce him"? He has not so far, and I doubt he will in the remainder of the year. Nico has, however, been impressive.

They are a pretty evenly matched pair, with, IMHO, the edge going to Webber so far (thanks to his experience).
Mark has many GPs under his belt yet they are only 1 point apart so far. I think Webber's stock is going down.
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Mark has many GPs under his belt yet they are only 1 point apart so far. I think Webber's stock is going down.
But if the car hadn't of expired at Monaco, Webber was on for a podium easily, maybe an outside bet of pipping Alonso in the pits. The car is good but has had a few engine reliability issues thus far this season. Webbers stock is as high as ever, he and Nico are doing a great job in an average/slightly above car. Nico is having a great season. No one could honestly say they expected him to do this well. Coupled with some bad luck for both, the team could have a handful more points and a podium or two, so I think Williams are on the up again. The Cosworth engine is good. Toyota's could be good, but they haven't been getting the results. Could be down to drivers, chassis, tyres or maybe the engine isn't all that.
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As for Webber at Ferrari.....not sure. I think Kimi would rather go to Ferrari than Renault. I get the feeling they've been wooing him for sometime now, so its just a matter of finishing the details off and announcing the deal. I think Webber will stay with Williams for one more year. Fishi will get one more year to prove his worth, probably against Heikki. If he doen't turn up more good performances, then I could see Webber being recalled to the Renault set-up.
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Old 13 Jun 2006, 18:24 (Ref:1633733)   #20
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But if the car hadn't of expired at Monaco, Webber was on for a podium easily, maybe an outside bet of pipping Alonso in the pits. The car is good but has had a few engine reliability issues thus far this season. Webbers stock is as high as ever, he and Nico are doing a great job in an average/slightly above car. Nico is having a great season. No one could honestly say they expected him to do this well. Coupled with some bad luck for both, the team could have a handful more points and a podium or two, so I think Williams are on the up again. The Cosworth engine is good. Toyota's could be good, but they haven't been getting the results. Could be down to drivers, chassis, tyres or maybe the engine isn't all that.
Williams is as mid pack as ever. Ralf said it best when he left them. William's aero is awful when aero in F1 is so important nowadays. They can only compet on circuits like Monaco where they are good on mechanical grip. Williams is an old skool squad.
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Williams is as mid pack as ever. Ralf said it best when he left them. William's aero is awful when aero in F1 is so important nowadays. They can only compet on circuits like Monaco where they are good on mechanical grip. Williams is an old skool squad.
Not sure that's a fair comment. I was in the grandstand at the first chicane in Monza when Montoya set the fastest ever Formula 1 lap during qualifying just a few years ago. That was all aero. In 2006 they're not as well funded as McLaren, Renault, Ferrari etc... as they've had to fork out for the engines. Simple as. I think few up or down the pit lane would not agree that Williams, with a good manufacturer behind them, represents a serious threat.
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Webber has had three podium results go up in smoke thanks to reliability. He has been mega this year.

I see Mark as a perfect Schumacher replacement at Ferrari. BUT, I think Michael will still be going around next season, so I can't see him being required there.
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Not sure that's a fair comment. I was in the grandstand at the first chicane in Monza when Montoya set the fastest ever Formula 1 lap during qualifying just a few years ago. That was all aero. In 2006 they're not as well funded as McLaren, Renault, Ferrari etc... as they've had to fork out for the engines. Simple as. I think few up or down the pit lane would not agree that Williams, with a good manufacturer behind them, represents a serious threat.
I understand what you are saying, but since I am still a Newbie on this forum, I have to tread lightly for awhile before I can start writing my full opinion in posts. In general, (this is not directed at any one particular team) old skool outfits will find it hard to survive in the new F1 world where money and resources are needed to squeeze every ounce of performance out of a car. The aero package accounts for quite a few ounces of performance. Ron knew the importance of money and resources a long time ago. Other teams were slower to realize. They paid or are paying for their mistakes.
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Webber's only chance of a really good performance this year was Monaco. Unfortunately, Williams typical unreliability blew that. Monaco is probably the only circuit where the Williams poor aero performance could be overcome. Williams are in a downward spiral that they don't look like coming out of any time soon.

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