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Old 31 Jan 2010, 13:38 (Ref:2622785)   #61
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Cheers, bigears! Assembling all the information in the thread so far, this is what the table looks like:

Round 11 of 13 of the 1989 Esso RAC British Touring Car Championship held on Monday August 28th 1989 over 20 laps of the 3.975 kms Birmingham street circuit.

Pos.No.EntrantDriverCarClassRace Time/LapsRetirement CauseFastest TimeQualifying TimeGrid
11Andy Rouse EngineeringAndy RouseFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A32m42.51s 1m36.46s1m35.87s2
27Andy Rouse EngineeringTim HarveyFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A32m50.57s 1m37.25s1m36.52s3
36Andy Rouse EngineeringLaurence BristowFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A32m50.82s 1m36.67s1m36.80s4
415Brooklyn MotorsportChris HodgettsFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A33m11.01s 1m38.60s1m37.31s5
521TrakstarRobb GravettFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A33m12.26s 1m37.65s1m35.64s1
625JQFGerrit van KouwenFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A33m21.08s 1m38.31s1m38.85s11
710Rouse SportGuy EdwardsFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A33m21.33s 1m38.67s1m38.26s7
85Graham Goode RacingSean WalkerFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A33m21.93s 1m37.56s1m37.35s6
94Graham Goode RacingGraham GoodeFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A33m37.95s 1m38.61s1st reserve28
102DowsonJerry MahonyFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A33m40.15s 1m39.06s1m38.59s9
1132ProdriveJames WeaverBMW M3B19 laps 1m42.21s1m40.54s12
1233ProdriveFrank SytnerBMW M3B19 laps 1m43.18s1m41.71s13
1335ForrestIan ForrestBMW M3B19 laps 1m44.26s1m44.67s15
1444Ronic SportJohn LlewellynBMW M3B19 laps 1m44.80s1m48.23s17
1543MaguireGodfrey HallBMW M3B19 laps 1m45.69s1m43.44s14
1656CookJohn ClelandVauxhall Astra GTE 16VC18 laps 1m46.64s1m44.86s18
1758CookLouise Aitken-WalkerVauxhall Astra GTE 16VC18 laps  1m48.34s21
1857CookJeremy RossiterVauxhall Astra GTE 16VC18 laps  1m48.75s22
1955Listers of Coventry for VolkswagenJohn MorrisVolkswagen Golf GTi 16VC18 laps  1m50.78s24
2077Five Star RacingGeoff Kimber-SmithToyota Corolla AE86 LiftbackD17 laps 1m51.04s1m52.80s26
2185RayscarLes LiddiardToyota Corolla AE82 HatchD17 laps  1m52.93s27
223Graham Goode RacingMike NewmanFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A16 laps  1m38.58s8
DNF75Graham Goode RacingRay ArmesHonda Civic SiD6 lapsaccident1m47.90s1m48.27s20
DNF70RayscarPhil DowsettToyota Corolla AE82 HatchD6 lapsaccident1m46.85s1m48.98s23
DNF37Nettan LindgrenNettan LindgrenBMW M3B2 laps?engine 1m44.17s16
DNF31John Maguire RacingJohn ClarkBMW M3B3 laps?loss of oil 1m45.51s19
DNF88Tony CrudingtonTony CrudgingtonToyota Corolla AE86 LiftbackD2 lapsaccident 1m52.40s25
DNF20TrakstarMike SmithFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A1 lapscrashed3m12.31s1m38.75s10
DNS53Team EurotechMike JordanPeugeot 309 GTiC warm up lap - gearbox 1m51.59s 
DNQ4Graham Goode RacingGraham GoodeFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A started when Jordan withdrew 1m39.01s 
DNQ28Lee AsquithKarl JonesFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A   1m39.91s 
DNQ17Terry Drury RacingMike O'BrienFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A   1m42.57s 
DNQ30Castrol TXT Racing?Alan MinshawBMW M3B   1m47.45s 
DNQ26Trident Motor Sport Ltd.Nick MayMaserati BiturboA   1m47.89s 
DNQ81Wembon MotorsTony DolleyToyota Corolla AE82 HatchD   1m59.02s 
ENT14 Graham HathawayFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A     
ENT18Terry Drury RacingRobin DonovanFord Sierra Cosworth RS500A     
ENT50Castrol TXT Racing?Alan MinshawVolkswagen Golf GTi 16VC     

Grid positions reflect where the cars actually started. Everyone moved up one grid position with the removal of each non-qualifier. Goode started from the rear after Jordan withdrew. The tail of the grid curling around the tight final corner makes it hard to see in the video, but everyone behind Jordan appears to have moved up one grid position, instead of everyone directly behind moving up one row.
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Old 31 Jan 2010, 16:12 (Ref:2622898)   #62
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Tomas Mezera raced the JQF/Fina car in place of Gerrit van Kouwen, who had called in the lawyers,
Any more info on this? JQF were wound up at the end of the year, but what was van Kouwen's issue with them?
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Any more info on this? JQF were wound up at the end of the year, but what was van Kouwen's issue with them?
It doesn't really says what was the matter. As I understand it Gerrit van Kouwen discovered that Chris Hodgetts - JQF running the Brooklyn RS500 that Hodgetts raced at the time - had been testing the Fina car. Van Kouwen likely felt estranged by the team and considered it a breach of his contract with Jon Q. Fisher, but that is only as I understand the situation.

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Just found the manufactures standing of the 1989 BTCC at the bottom of the final Silverstone race results:

1. Ford, 260 points
2. BMW, 167 points
3. Vauxhall, 156 points
4. Toyota, 114 points

Don't know how points were distributed and can't work it out either. With Ford winning 13 races and scoring 260 points, that would mean 20 points for a class and overall win...with no dropped scores?

I'm posting this for your suggestions, as I am putting final touches to the drivers standings.

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Final standings of the 1989 Esso RAC British Touring Car Championship - unofficial

Class A (over 3000 cc)
Pos.DriverASp.Myp.R1R2R3R4R5R6R7R8R9R10R11R12R13
1.Andy Rouse7879DNF9DNF1*DNF9410*6610*10*410
2.Robb Gravett747610*7*27*DNF1*10*610*10*DNF27*4
3.Tim Harvey56596[14]94663DNF4-696 
4.Laurence Bristow3232DNF4DNF9[11]121264[10]3
5.Sean Walker16172[16]3312[9]DNF13[8]2[8]
6.Mike Newman14153[8]4DNF4DNFDNF2DNF2[11][7]?
7.Mike Smith10101[10][7]DNF23[10]4-DNFDNF[9][7]
8.Tiff Needell99---9---------
9.Karl Jones79DNF[11]6DNF3[12][12][7]DNFDNFDNQ[8][9]
10.Guy Edwards88DNF[7][10]DSQDNS-43-DNF[7]-1
11.Jeff Allam67---7*---------
12.David Sears77---6-------3-
13.Chris Hodgetts66[7]1DNFDNQDNF[7][8]???3[11]2
14.Graham Goode66DNF3DNSDNQ[9]DNF1DNF?1[9]1DNF
15.Jerry Mahony554[15]1DNFDNF[9][11][8][9][7][10]DNFDNF
16.Tomas Mezera44--DNF--DNS---4-DNF-
17.Damon Hill33---3---------
17.Will Hoy33--------3----
19.Gerrit van Kouwen43DNF[9]DNF2[7][11][7]?[7]DNF1--
20.Pierre Diedonné22---2---------
21.Andrew Gilbert-Scott11---2---------
NCMike O'Brien00[10][13][8]DNFDNFDNQ[13][9][10][9]DNQDNF[10]
NCRobin Donovan00DNFDNF[9]DNF[8][13]????---
NCGraham Hathaway00[8]--DSQDNS----[10]-DNF-
NCKaj Bornebusch00[9][12]-----------
NCDavid Pinkney00DNQDNF[11]DNF[10]DNF???DNF---
NCMark Rennison00--DNF-DNS[10]????-??
NCNick May00----[12]-----DNQ--
NCWin Percy00---DSQ---------
NCJon Dooley00------------?
NCAndrew Hepworth00------------?
NCVic Lee00---DNF-------DNQ-
NCMike Wilds00---DNF---------
NCMike Wallis00---DSQ---------
NCAlistair Lyall00---DNF---------
NCGraham Scarborough00---DNF---------
NCGary Ayles00---DNF---------
NCDave Brodie13-37-2DSQ1DSQ[8]?DNS[8][8]-NCDNF
NCJohnny Dumfries00---DNS---------

All in all 37 drivers in class A and perhaps a few more, as results from round 7 are only partial.

Legend:
Asp. The point standing given in the Autosport season review late December
Myp. My calculation
Best 11 from 13 scores counted
9, 6, 4, 3, 2 and 1 point for top-6 positions
* including one point for fastest lap
[] position outside top-6
DNF did not finish
DNS did not start
DNQ did not qualified
did not attend
? don't know if driver participated or not

Dave Brodie won round 4 as well as set the fastest lap of the race only to be disqualified. This moved the entire field up on spot, but this is not reflected in the Autosport standings as the case was yet unresolved. This explains most of the off-set point tallies. Brodie likely given a 2 x 2 maximum score penalty ending him on negative points.

Can't explain why Andy Rouse end up with 1 point too many and Robb Gravett with 2 too many.

Gleaming at the other classes both drivers of the 1-hour Donington race round 4 was given a bonus point for fastest lap. That's why I have Jeff Allam at seven and not six as in Autosport.

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Just found the manufactures standing of the 1989 BTCC at the bottom of the final Silverstone race results:

1. Ford, 260 points
2. BMW, 167 points
3. Vauxhall, 156 points
4. Toyota, 114 points

Don't know how points were distributed and can't work it out either. With Ford winning 13 races and scoring 260 points, that would mean 20 points for a class and overall win...with no dropped scores?
They're listed at the bottom of the Birmingham results, too.

1. Ford, 229 points
2. BMW, 143 points
3. Vauxhall, 124 points
4. Toyota, 94 points

So, over the next two rounds, Ford scored another 31 points, BMW another 24, Vauxhall another 32 (!), and Toyota another 20.

I'm not sure how this could work, either! Outright places must not be a big factor, otherwise Vauxhall could never outscore Ford over the final two rounds. The amount of the manufacturer's cars in each class looks like it might matter, but then why does Vauxhall achieve a score so similar to BMW? In fact, how does Vauxhall outscore BMW over the final few rounds?

I had an idea of class points 9-6-4-3-2-1 +1 for FL, a possible 26 points per round over 10 counting rounds. It doesn't work though, as BMW would theoretically score more-or-less the same as Ford.

Maybe entries had to be registered to score manufacturer's points?
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I have been rummaging through the Autosport reports once again and found some more manufactures standings over the season:

ManufactureR01R02R03R04R05R06R07R08R09R10R11R12R13
Ford 40   120140160180220229 260
BMW 27   8193105117131143 167
Vauxhall 24   728496108112124 156
Toyota      7080908294 114

The Ford points after round 10 should likely read 200 and then 220 after round 11. Essentially Ford seems to have scored maximum points with a 20 points per race. BMW and Vauxhall has a lot of 12 points per round scores, while Toyota seems to have mainly 10 points per round scores.
Don't know if the results of Maserati (Class A), Volkswagen and Peugeot (Class C) and Honda (Class D) should be considered?

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More 1989 unofficial point standings

Class B (2001-3000 cc)
Pos.DriverBTp.Myp.R1R2R3R4R5R6R7R8R9R10R11R12R13
1.James Weaver109109 (119)10*9(6)(3)10*10*10*10*10*10*10*10*10*
2.Frank Sytner70716DNF1*10*93DNF6666666
3.John Llewellyn3737 (39)32(1)644243(1)333
4.Ian Forrest3535DNF324DNF64DNS4444?
5.Godfrey Hall3131464DNF63DNFDNS--224
6.Nettan Lindgren1215DNF4----3323DNF- 
7.John Clark1211DNFDNF3DNF-2DNF2?2DNF?2
8.Will Hoy99---9---------
9.Gerry Marshall66---6---------
10.Bernard Hunter44---4---------
10.Steve Soper44---4*---------
12.James Kaye222-- ---------
13.Alan Minshaw22----------DNQ11
14.Barrie Williams11------1------
NCLionel Abbott00---DNF---------
NCAndrew Jeffrey00---DNF---------

This time the points comparison is based on that of the BTCC page (more complete than the Autosport review) and my calculations.

Nettan Lindgren likely didn't received 3 points for either rounds 8 or 10 and her points would match
...as would those of John Clark, as he would then move up one notch! Confirmation would be much appreciated.

Rotten season for defending second placed Godfrey Hall. His car smashing accident at Brands in the summer was to be costly. Ian Forrest coming on strongly in the latter part of the season, but both beaten by a very consistent John Llewellyn.

Only Steve Soper received the fastest lap bonus point for the Donington 2-driver 1-hour race. This would mean that Jeff Allam in class A stands to loose one of "my" points.

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Class C (1601-2000 cc)
Pos.DriverBTp.Myp.R1R2R3R4R5R6R7R8R9R10R11R12R13
1.John Cleland110110 (116)10*10*(5*)10*10*DNF(1*)10*10*10*10*10*10*10*
2.Louise Aitken-Walker7272-69669666666DNF
3.John Morris2727DNF-6DNF46DNF--43DNF4
4.Jeremy Rossiter2626------444DNF446
5.Alan Minshaw2222DNF423DNF4333DNF---
6.Mike Jordan16166334--DNF---DNS--
7.Ian Flux99---9---------
8.Tony Lanfranchi99---------3-33
9.Vince Woodman66---6---------
10.Peter Tyson44---4---------
11.John Brindley33---3---------
NCBarrie Williams00---DNF---------

Don't know were I've picked up the Tony Lanfranchi results, frankly, but they makes sence.

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Class D (Under 1600 cc)
Pos.DriverBTp.Myp.R1R2R3R4R5R6R7R8R9R10R11R12R13
1.Phil Dowsett5656DNF*10*910*DNF1*10*6--9DNF1*--
2.Tony Crudgington3737-DNF7*6942DNF?-DNF36
3.Ray Armes3131------10*[1]*[1]*DNF1*DNF10*10*
4.Geoff Kimber-Smith3030[1]DNFDNSDNF6-3[2]?696DNF
5.Les Liddiard2525-43DNFDNSDNS4---644
6.Tony Dolley2222[2]64-4DNF1--4DNQDNS3
7.Mark Goddard1515---9-6-------
8.Chuck Nicholson66---6---------
NCSteve King00---DNF---------
NCBarbara Cowell00---DNF---------

No points distributed for round 1, 8 and 9 as the class did not meet the minimum criteria of 4 starters completing the first 2 laps. Results in [] indicating positions.

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Class A (over 3000 cc)
Pos.DriverASp.Myp.R1R2R3R4R5R6R7R8R9R10R11R12R13
1.Andy Rouse7879DNF9DNF1*DNF9410*6610*10*410
2.Robb Gravett7475 (76)10*7*27*DNF(1*)10*610*10*DNF27*4
3.Tim Harvey56596[14]94663DNF4-696 
4.Laurence Bristow3232DNF4DNF9[11]121264[10]3
5.Sean Walker16172[16]3312[9]DNF13[8]2[8]
6.Mike Newman14153[8]4DNF4DNFDNF2DNF2[11][7]?
7.Mike Smith10101[10][7]DNF23[10]4-DNFDNF[9][7]
8.Tiff Needell99---9---------
9.Karl Jones79DNF[11]6DNF3[12][12][7]DNFDNFDNQ[8][9]
10.Guy Edwards88DNF[7][10]DSQDNS-43-DNF[7]-1
11.David Sears77---4-------3-
12.Jeff Allam66---6---------
13.Chris Hodgetts66[7]1DNFDNQDNF[7][8]???3[11]2
14.Graham Goode66DNF3DNSDNQ[9]DNF1DNF?1[9]1DNF
15.Jerry Mahony554[15]1DNFDNF[9][11][8][9][7][10]DNFDNF
16.Tomas Mezera44--DNF--DNS---4-DNF-
17.Damon Hill33---3---------
17.Will Hoy33--------3----
19.Gerrit van Kouwen43DNF[9]DNF2[7][11][7]?[7]DNF1--
20.Pierre Diedonné22---2---------
21.Andrew Gilbert-Scott11---2---------
NCMike O'Brien00[10][13][8]DNFDNFDNQ[13][9][10][9]DNQDNF[10]
NCRobin Donovan00DNFDNF[9]DNF[8][13]????---
NCGraham Hathaway00[8]--DSQDNS----[10]-DNF-
NCKaj Bornebusch00[9][12]-----------
NCDavid Pinkney00DNQDNF[11]DNF[10]DNF???DNF---
NCMark Rennison00--DNF-DNS[10]????-??
NCNick May00----[12]-----DNQ--
NCWin Percy00---DSQ---------
NCJon Dooley00------------?
NCAndrew Hepworth00------------?
NCVic Lee00---DNF-------DNQ-
NCMike Wilds00---DNF---------
NCMike Wallis00---DSQ---------
NCAlistair Lyall00---DNF---------
NCGraham Scarborough00---DNF---------
NCGary Ayles00---DNF---------
NCDave Brodie13-37-2DSQ1DSQ[8]?DNS[8][8]-NCDNF
NCJohnny Dumfries00---DNS---------

A few revisions. Robb Gravett likely had to drop his bonus point from round 5. Bonus point for fastest lap removed from Jeff Allam in round 4, moving him down to 12th with David Sears moving up to 11th.

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A mate of mine has started to digitise his BTCC recordings from Grandstand, and posting them up on YouTube.
Starting with the 1989 season...
Round One Oulton Park part one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur2yQ...eature=channel
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And for those who are interested here is the next installment. Round 2 Part 2
Be patient and hopefully will get most of the season. Im not sure I have the second half on tape. But Im sure Viva GT has and I can use his.!!

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Round 6 of 13 of the 1989 Esso RAC British Touring Car Championship held on Sunday June 4th 1989 over 25 laps of the 1.908 miles/3.071 kms Silverstone National Circuit.
Incidentally, looking through the relevant Autosport issue covering this one, spotted an interesting little story- Apparently, in response to Dave Brodie's 'turkeys' interview at Thruxton, 'there was a concerted effort headed by Mike Smith for the drivers to turn up at Silverstone dressed in outfits that would have had Bernard Matthews clucking with delight. Alas, not enough suits could be found.....'

I'd love to have seen the TV coverage if they'd pulled that off!

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Re the Rossiter Astra- As I said a few posts back, I think this was the ex-rallycar used by Louise A-W in the early races. Louise's 'new' car was possibly Cleland's early-season mount, with JC getting a new car mid-season.

The rallycar was always easy to tell from the other two team cars because it was LHD and had a different paintjob- the same colours, but different lettering and logos- no prominent 'Vauxhall' logos on the sides, a large Mobil 1 decal in their place etc. The car carried additional decals for Rossiter's sponsor, 'Spax Shock Absorbers'.
Found a couple of pics of the Astras, which confirms that Rossiter's car, carrying no57, was LHD, and had additional 'Spax' sponsorship, unlike the Cleland car

Cleland (56- RHD race car)
http://www.supertouring.co.uk/galler..._astra_90b.jpg
http://www.touringcartimes.com/news/btcc09100504.jpg

Rossiter (57- LHD ex-rally car)
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag..._800.jpg1..jpg

The car seems to have been reliveried to match the Cleland and Aitken-Walker cars, as I'm sure I've got a pic of it in Autosport which shows it in a similar paintscheme to the rallycars, with large 'Mobil 1' decals on the side, rather than the 'Vauxhall' logo:
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag...iuui%20159.jpg

There are a couple of pics of Louise A-W in the LHD car in Graham Robson's 'BTCC in Camera' book showing it in this state. One also shows it wearing the white (OZ I think?) wheels used on the rallycars, similar to these
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IIRC it didn't get proper 'race' suspension and single-stud hubs until it had done a couple of races
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