Canon EOS-20D

[rdjones]

It looks as if Canon have confirmed that are bringing out a new DSLR - The EOS-20D. There is some more information here, http://www.pictureline.com/digital/d...on/eos20D.html

Not sure when it is going to be released over here, but it will out in the states late next month at a price somewhere in the region of $1300-1600. Which is around £1100, which is rougly the about the same price as the 10D. Hopefully this will force the price of the 10D then I can afford one.......

[mcurtis26]

Has anyone tried the EOS 300D? I know its not likely to be anything like as good as a 10D but it seems pretty good value and the price is falling rapidly

[Elio]

I bought one as a back-up for my 10D - haven`t used it much.

It`s not bad. Doesn`t ooze the quality that the 10D has - feels (because it is!) plasticy! Very sharp - possibly due to 10D complaints over softness causing more internal sharpening to be put into the 300D??

MOST ANNOYING feature is that there is no AI Servo unless you are in sports mode. However in sports mode the camera will do what it wants - ie choose 800ISO and 2000 shutter speed !!! - cheers!!!!

I like using AI Servo in either Manual or TV mode so I find the above really restrictive.

Guess I should`ve waited for the 20D and then used my 10D as the back-up. Never mind. My 10D must`ve done nearly 200,000 exposures now and (touch wood) is still going strong - I wanted the cheapest back-up possible incase it blew its shutter!!!

[rdjones]

I have just found some more information, which goes into things in more detail. http://www.dpreview.com/articles/can...0d/default.asp well worth a look, I think I am going to start saving........

[Snapperjack]

Elio, if you fancy releasing some of the 300D's focusing restrictions etc check out the latest software hack.
http://www.bahneman.com/liem/photos/...el-tricks.html

or

http://www.xmldatabases.org/WK/blog/..._AI_Servo.item

(I have not tried this myself but I belief it works. At your own risk)

[Elio]

Snapperjack, How intriguing!!!!

Might try it after the warranty expires! Tend to use fixed focus on most of my stuff so using the 300D will only be a real pain if the 10D breaks over the winter and I want to shoot a rally or something (where AI is more appropriate).

[djb]

looks like a nice little camera package (20D) and it will surely bring the 10D prices down and throw a bunch of good cond. used one on the market.

[gi_gav]

indeed djb, ones like mine...

I've ordered a 20D and I'll be selling my 10 as soon as it arrives sometime in October.

I think it's worth it as the 20 offers faster shooting, a bigger image buffer, quicker startup and higher quality; all essential for what I'll be doing.

[rdjones]

I think I am going to be taking a trip into Jessops at some point in the next few weeks to order mine.

[stefan]

I have a 300D - I'm very pleased with it. In theory it should take images every bit as good as the 10D as it has the same sensor. It has less features however - the 10D is probably better for sports. The 20D looks very nice indeed but I'm going to carry on using my 300D for a year or so before I upgrade.
Here's a few of my recent images...

http://www.pbase.com/smarjoram/lemansclassic2004

[Mark Barton]

Originally posted by djb
looks like a nice little camera package (20D) and it will surely bring the 10D prices down and throw a bunch of good cond. used one on the market.

Could anyone hazard a guess at what a decent used 10D is likely to cost once the 20D becomes established? I've long lusted after one, but I'm on a fairly tight budget...

[rdjones]

Just been looking at prices of 10D's and they have already started to fall. Now I can't decided if to get a 10D or a 20D, what to do what to do.

[djb]

the eternal question of these darn things (computers with lenses) getting better and cheaper isnt it?

good luck all with balancing prices vs needs and to those who end up going the 20 way, have fun with all the yummy looking specs. Makes me sort of regret last year continuing along the Nikon path, as i could have gone either way. never ends never ends........

[stefan]

I should say that when I bought my camera I opted for the cheaper body so that I could spend more on some lenses. Ultimately you'll be keeping the lenses so get good ones. With the body I felt I could wait a year or two until the prices came down to a level I thought was reasonable. What I have now is still a big step up from my Nikon 5700.

[MolsonBoy]

Originally posted by rdjones

Just been looking at prices of 10D's and they have already started to fall. Now I can't decided if to get a 10D or a 20D, what to do what to do.

Rdjones here is a good review of 20D that compares it to the 10D. After I read the article my decision became clear....20D is the best choice even if it means waiting or paying more.

[djb]

Originally posted by stefan
I should say that when I bought my camera I opted for the cheaper body so that I could spend more on some lenses. Ultimately you'll be keeping the lenses so get good ones. .

again, depending on one monetary situation and what you expect of your image quality, I agree completely with this Stefan. Even more so than with film, good glass makes a difference, especially that a sensor will never give better resolution like advances in film technololy did, so you're stuck with a given limit.

An excellent lens showed its worth when making a 16x20 from a 400asa b+w film, and it does show in a digi file, but again, it comes down to priorities and needs, and each individual has to figure out theirs.

[rdjones]

Originally posted by MolsonBoy
Rdjones here is a good review of 20D that compares it to the 10D. After I read the article my decision became clear....20D is the best choice even if it means waiting or paying more.

Maybe possible, I have read 2 reviews now its a nice bit of kit but it is brand new there is just a small dobut in my mine, I think its a trip in a Leeds tomorrow to visit a few shops and get there advise.

[rdjones]

Well been to see the shop taken some advise and the 10D is now on order, should be here in a couple of weeks time....

[Snapper Baz]

Trouble is with the 300D-you see a big shunt-you keep your finger down...3 shots and thats your lot! 20D sounds good-I bet it will be a long wait to get your hands on one when its about though...wonder if I'll have enough dosh when I visit the States in Oct'????

[rdjones]

Well I now have my 10D and so far I am very impressed, I'm sure we are going to be very happy together...

[gi_gav]

I've got my new 20D waiting for me in store, although I can't actually afford it til the end of the month.

From an initial play about with it, it seems a huge step on from the 10 - the 5 fps is so noticable and the processor seems to clear them quicker from the buffer as well (making more use of high speed CF cards too) meaning that you can take 23, let it clear for just a couple of seconds and then take another 18 or 19 shots. Very impressive and a big difference (as Baz said) for motorsport.

I'll certainly keep you posted when i get my grubby hands on it (which reminds me, it's quite small so the battery grip sounds like a good idea).

[Aysedasi]

I guess its like any other technology - mstand still for 5 minutes and your gear is out of date. Goes as much for cameras as pcs, cars, whatever. I'm happy with my 10D - it does everyone I want plus a lot more I don't even understand yet.......

[gi_gav]

it's daft to say that the 10D is out of date, it's one of the best camera Canon - or anyone else - has ever built!

The fact that the 20 offers 8MP means doesn't change the fact that the 10 is a stunning piece of kit. The 20D offers barely any increase in real world quality, especially given that the 10d is excellent for just about anything you could choose to do.

Except, pehaps what I intend to do, which is to turn my back on two first class degrees and pursue photography for my living, in which the 20D is a useful tool with notable advantages over my 10D.

I didn't mean to sound smug or anything similar when i mentioned about getting the 20. If i were doing anything else I'd be keeping the 10D for a good few years as it doesn't get 'out of date' the moment something marginally better arrives.

[stefan]

Buy the 20D for it's other features - faster shooting, switch on time etc - rather than for the megapixels. It uses the same chip as the 10D and 300D and interplolates up to 8MP.

[gi_gav]

indeed - speed and 23 shot buffer are the things that matter