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Old 25 Oct 2016, 02:00 (Ref:3682626)   #46
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I'm not that worried personally about CO2 but there are many who are and seeing a field of utes possible smoking around (bear in mind they'll have modified exhausts so may smoke less than a stock vehicle)
Modern diesels _do not smoke_ _at all_
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Old 25 Oct 2016, 02:01 (Ref:3682627)   #47
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Providing they're fitted with a DPF.

I suspect that this will be removed for the purposes of racing.
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Old 25 Oct 2016, 02:04 (Ref:3682628)   #48
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Providing they're fitted with a DPF. I suspect that this will be removed for the purposes of racing.
... which all cars since ~2005 have been.

Just seems pointless to completely ignore actual facts and keep bringing up something which has been done and dusted for more than 10 years.
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Old 25 Oct 2016, 02:10 (Ref:3682629)   #49
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As Mixer has pointed out in regard to CO2, the SuperUte would be the highest of the 3, so you have that 180 degrees wrong but I take his point that the difference is not that great.

I'm not that worried personally about CO2 but there are many who are and seeing a field of utes possible smoking around (bear in mind they'll have modified exhausts so may smoke less than a stock vehicle) may give them ammo to throw at the series and motor sport in general - that is my concern. It is a question of perception and in particular how the series might be perceived and used by those outside the sport.
yove misinterpreted what mixer said. he said it creates 10% more per litre used but uses less fuel. thats assuming things are equal

however a turbo diesel in a super ute, uses much less fuel that a v8 ute or a lambo.

so here is your numbers

A ford Ranger produces about 240g CO2 per Km, a Ford V8 ute produces about 320g perKM and a Gt3 lambo uses around 400g per KM

So moving to super utes will produce less CO2 than the utes currently run. that would be a win based on your theory

modern diesels have particle filters that significantly reduce particle particles. I suspect you will see very little balck smoke,
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Old 25 Oct 2016, 02:42 (Ref:3682638)   #50
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Modern diesels _do not smoke_ _at all_
Agree - when they are stock.

I've seen plenty smoking when they've been modified though, and the article says they'll have a control modified exhaust. I really, really hope that they don't end up smoking but my concern is that they may end up doing so.
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Old 25 Oct 2016, 04:35 (Ref:3682667)   #51
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... which all cars since ~2005 have been.
Not entirely correct. Some manufacturers are still persisting with a catalytic converter. Similar, but not the same.
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Old 25 Oct 2016, 04:45 (Ref:3682668)   #52
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Not entirely correct. Some manufacturers are still persisting with a catalytic converter. Similar, but not the same.
just adding some info to your comment

20% of vehicles are diesel

Euro 5 standard comes in in Nov 2016 which should see most diesels have DPFs

Australia’s new emissions rules will put yet another bump in the road for diesels
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Old 25 Oct 2016, 05:00 (Ref:3682669)   #53
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Not entirely correct. Some manufacturers are still persisting with a catalytic converter. Similar, but not the same.
Between ADR30/1 and Euro 5 which came in 2011, which light duty vehicle is on the market without a DPF?

EDIT: It is slightly more complicated, "Core" Euro 5 has been a requirement for all new vehicles released since November '13:
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2012C00283

So potentially someone could be selling an old dunger now which is Euro 4, as long as it is old as the hills... Ssangyong or Great Wall?
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just adding some info to your comment

20% of vehicles are diesel

Euro 5 standard comes in in Nov 2016 which should see most diesels have DPFs

Australia’s new emissions rules will put yet another bump in the road for diesels
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Of the top of my head. Izuzu's MUX and DMAX don't run DPF and the 2.8 Prado only scored it this year.

While emissions and manufacturers aim for no black smoke. The amount of issues with the various CRD's they definitely do start smoking...


Smoke or no smoke I still call boring.

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Old 25 Oct 2016, 10:13 (Ref:3682712)   #56
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I really dont think its a competitor to stadium trucks. To even compare them is probably not wise

They are basically a hotted up production vehicle. To race on a track

Stadium trucks are purpose built vehicle with a history of racing on dirt
Fair enough, though I am more talking from the entertainment side of things.

People like that the utes are often loose and banging in to each other. Loud V8 sound too. To replace with production based diesels, a lot of the existing fanbase will see what they like with the Stadium trucks.

I did forget the dirt aspect of the series though. More looking at what we get here
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Dual cabs will make sponsor rides more beneficial.
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Old 26 Oct 2016, 10:35 (Ref:3682931)   #58
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And AdBlue...
How exciting could that make Pit Stops... Change the Desert Duelers, Fill up the Diesel top up the drink bottle and then another hose to top up the AdBlue!! At the depot I drive from we fill AdBlue tanks from a 1000l tank lifted on a forklift and gravity fed into the truck.. There is another exciting avenue the pit lane Manitou... Lets say one fork lift per 3 cars and they can stack if they need to to wait for the hose?
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Old 27 Oct 2016, 11:28 (Ref:3683336)   #60
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If you are really worried about the carbon footprint of sports, better look at those light towers at the MCG & SCG powered by all that wonderful coal generated electricity.
Makes what motorsport emits tame by comparison.
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