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Old 16 Jan 2005, 19:18 (Ref:1202472)   #1
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Driver sharing & the engine rule

If Klien and Luizzi end up doing alternate races, how will the 'engine must last for 2 complete gp w/ends or face a 10 place grid demotion' rule play itself out.

or is that yet another loophole in yet another stupid rule!?

Either way, if they do share, they'll no doubt be interesting consequences for whoever does/doent run in melbourne!
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 19:25 (Ref:1202478)   #2
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The rules apply to the car not the driver,therefore whoever drives the car at the first race (lets say Melbourne)will hand the same engine over to the driver of the second race(Malaysia).
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 19:28 (Ref:1202481)   #3
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So if, let's say, Schumachers engine goes up in smoke, he could switch cars with Barrichello for the next race and let Rubens take penalty?
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 19:33 (Ref:1202483)   #4
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No.

Because Michael Schumacher is entered in Ferrari number 1 and Rubens in Ferrari number 2.
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 19:37 (Ref:1202485)   #5
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So if, let's say, Schumachers engine goes up in smoke, he could switch cars with Barrichello for the next race and let Rubens take penalty?
DC would have to use his engine in the second race as would RB,sorry,rule applies to engines not cars.
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 19:38 (Ref:1202486)   #6
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Ah, but it could be done for any team that doesn't have the world champion? If Red Bull plans to let all 3 drivers rotate they could end up in a situation where they can choose which driver should get the penalty...
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Edit, Ah, okay, that makes much more sense

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Old 16 Jan 2005, 19:41 (Ref:1202490)   #7
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There is a limit on making driver changes during the season.

Incidentally - if you retire during the race, there is no penalty carried over to the next weekend.

So this debate is something of a non-issue.
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 20:00 (Ref:1202505)   #8
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Incidentally - if you retire during the race, there is no penalty carried over to the next weekend.
As i understand it,if your engine blows up during the race(Melbourne)you start with a fresh engine in Malaysia and no penalty,however if your engine blows before the start of the race(Melbourne)you change engines and take a 10 place penalty on the grid and that engine must then last to the end of the Malaysian GP,If however that engine blows during the race(Melbourne) you still start with a fresh engine at the Malaysian GP,if however that engine blows during the race(Malaysian)you start the next race with a fresh engine and no penalty,if however that engine blows before the start of the race(Malaysian)you change engines take a 10 place grid penalty and that engine must then last to the end of the next race,if however.........................I hope thats cleared things up.
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 20:07 (Ref:1202515)   #9
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Exactly.

You are penalised if the engine blows at any time during the race weekend, by being moved back 10 places on the grid.

But if the engine blows in the race, your penalty is retirement from the race.

It sounds complex, but is actually quite sensible.
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 21:47 (Ref:1202582)   #10
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So you'll only ever get penalised once for an engien failure - in other words, you don't start the race after a failure from 10 places down the grid? That's much fairer than peopel thoguht, but explaining ot TV viewers which drivers have a race left on the engine could get muddled as the year goes on.
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 21:59 (Ref:1202594)   #11
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They won't need to explain which drivers have a race left on the engine.

Operationally things will be the same as this year - engine failure at any point during the weekend before the race starts = 10 places down the grid.

Engine failure during the race = retirement.

While the engine carries over to the next weekend, penalties don't.
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Old 17 Jan 2005, 05:01 (Ref:1202726)   #12
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So what if you blow the engine at the moment you cross the checkered flag???
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Old 17 Jan 2005, 05:35 (Ref:1202737)   #13
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Your damn lucky
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Old 17 Jan 2005, 08:06 (Ref:1202799)   #14
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Engine revs suddenly rising to 25,000 as TGF takes flag should be on the cards then(same goes for them all really).
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Old 17 Jan 2005, 09:34 (Ref:1202855)   #15
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Nah, just "accidentally" engage the Pit Lane Speed limiter on your slowing down lap, lean out the engine, and destroy it that way.
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