GP2 v World Series

TomS · 25 May 2005, 19:21 (Ref:1310136)

Sorry if this has been covered before but i was wondering what peoples opinions were on which one is the best series. Which is quicker...GP2 i presume as i think they were quicker at monaco. Personally i think the quality of both teams and drivers is slightly better in GP2 however the World Series look nicer and look more fun to drive

Kicking-back · 25 May 2005, 20:12 (Ref:1310180)

GP2 is a step above World Series - that's how it's intended and that's how it has worked out.

Both are Renault powered and are not direct competitors.

SALEEN S7R · 25 May 2005, 20:36 (Ref:1310189)

Whilst what KB says is true, comparissans can be drawn between the 2 series IMO. Its interesting to note that at Monaco the World series by Renault pole time would have been good enough for 8th place in the Formula GP2 race. Only around 1 second a lap slower than the GP2 cars, at Monaco. At other, faster tracks the differnce could be something in the reigion of 2-3 seconds, IMO.

flexible-flyer · 25 May 2005, 22:06 (Ref:1310253)

the heart of every series is its driving talent. the best drivers in the world series would be midfielders in gp2 no matter what team they drive for.

jondownunder · 25 May 2005, 22:17 (Ref:1310264)

I would agree this year's GP2 field has a better strength in depth. But there are still quite a few drivers in the World Series who could well be frontrunners in a top GP2 team.

jondownunder · 25 May 2005, 22:22 (Ref:1310269)

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Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

Whilst what KB says is true, comparissans can be drawn between the 2 series IMO. Its interesting to note that at Monaco the World series by Renault pole time would have been good enough for 8th place in the Formula GP2 race. Only around 1 second a lap slower than the GP2 cars, at Monaco. At other, faster tracks the differnce could be something in the reigion of 2-3 seconds, IMO.

It will be interesting to see how the two series compare in lap times at Monza, the only other circuit they will both race at - although with a gap of almost two months between meetings, it won't really be a fair comparison. I believe I heard the aero grip of the WSbR cars is supposed to be greater than the GP2 cars, meaning they can carry more speed through corners, partly making up for their HP disadvantage.

DanFlag · 26 May 2005, 01:27 (Ref:1310332)

Which series will stay the longer?

Which one attracks more drivers and sponsors?

Kicking-back · 26 May 2005, 05:19 (Ref:1310407)

GP2 clearly has a secure future as part of the F1 weekends - and as a result has the cream of the up and coming drivers.

SALEEN S7R · 26 May 2005, 06:29 (Ref:1310421)

GP2 also has IMO the bigger and better teams than the Renault World series, as much as I love the World Series you cant help but get the impression that most of the GP2 teams are a little bit bigger and more professional. IMO.

Kicking-back · 26 May 2005, 06:40 (Ref:1310424)

Correct - but both have full fields and are clear steps on a ladder, so they can co-exist.

Russfeld · 26 May 2005, 10:57 (Ref:1310592)

To be fair though, I reckon you could do F1 out of WS. WS is basically a very nicely redone F3000, and apparently cheaper.

SALEEN S7R · 26 May 2005, 11:06 (Ref:1310595)

Sure you could Russfeld, money talks.

Honestly though, GP2 is the way to go to get into a F1 seat generally speaking IMO. Sure you may still get drivers jumping from F3 (Hamilton perhaps) and the World Series straight into F1, but I would imagine we will see a lot more drivers coming from GP2 into F1 than from any other feeder series.

DanFlag · 26 May 2005, 11:10 (Ref:1310597)

Imo

BootsOntheSide · 26 May 2005, 11:46 (Ref:1310620)

GP2 seems to be what was needed in a feeder series, and the combination of getting F1 attention and track knowledge coupled with the style of cars make it the best preperationf or F1, and the grid is perhaps the strongest ever seen in a feeder series, with any number of potential GP winners. World Series is a good championship in its own right, but it definitely lcks of the prestige of GP2, and I suspect a lot of its guys will look to GP2 next year, if they can afford it.

SALEEN S7R · 26 May 2005, 14:03 (Ref:1310720)

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Originally Posted by DanFlag

Imo

Sorry Dany, thought I had made it clear that it was my opinion by the quote. "I would imagine" and "IMO". Apoligies.

DanFlag · 26 May 2005, 14:40 (Ref:1310737)

Ok, I did'nt know what IMO standed for, I guessed it was that but was not sure

thank you

jondownunder · 26 May 2005, 14:47 (Ref:1310741)

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Originally Posted by DanFlag

Ok, I did'nt know what IMO standed for, I guessed it was that but was not sure

thank you

I use this occasionally as well - but I guess it does make things difficult for you guys who don't have English as a first language (or don't use geeky web-speak!)

IMO = In my opinion
IMHO = In my humble opinion (I think?)

SALEEN S7R · 26 May 2005, 14:59 (Ref:1310745)

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Originally Posted by jondownunder

IMHO = In my humble opinion (I think?)

Or as I more commonly use it for, and do quite a few others. IMHO = In my honest opinion. Bit more confusing as that can have 2 meanings.

Raglanparade · 26 May 2005, 15:00 (Ref:1310746)

IMHO = In my humble/honest opinion

IMPCO = In my policitally correct opinion

IMPACT = In My Pathetic Attempt (to) Corner Tabac ?? ( i beleive the phrase was first coined by a certain R Schumacher..)

**chunterer** · 26 May 2005, 18:35 (Ref:1310930)

IMO lots of drivers ROOT at Monaco - Applies to several drivers over the Monaco weekend, judging by their inadequate attempts at outbrakling others, or even just braking for corners!

WS isn't re-packaged 3000, it's repackaged Nissan WS isn't it?! The cars look the part anyway and i agree with ealrier comments that there are several guys in it as result of 'placements' or certain level of funding that would probably have been in GP2 on talent alone.

I'd cite Tocacello, Zubica, Power as 3 examples, and there's probably more...

macaroon · 26 May 2005, 18:53 (Ref:1310941)

at the end of the day, for a series that has 150 bhp ( 30% !!! ) less and costs half as much for a season, the fact that the WS is only a second off the gp2 times is fairly impressive i think. undoubtedly gp2 has the better pr and marketing push but that's what the extra 50% buys you i guess !!!

SALEEN S7R · 26 May 2005, 20:11 (Ref:1311028)

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Originally Posted by macaroon

at the end of the day, for a series that has 150 bhp ( 30% !!! ) less and costs half as much for a season, the fact that the WS is only a second off the gp2 times is fairly impressive i think. undoubtedly gp2 has the better pr and marketing push but that's what the extra 50% buys you i guess !!!

Yes, but the lap time differnce would be significantly bigger IMO if the GP2 cars were running Bridgstone slick tyres, perhaps as much as 4 seconds a lap faster, dont forget that GP2 is running the grooved tyres.

jondownunder · 26 May 2005, 22:48 (Ref:1311163)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

i agree with ealrier comments that there are several guys in it as result of 'placements' or certain level of funding that would probably have been in GP2 on talent alone.

I'd cite Tocacello, Zubica, Power as 3 examples, and there's probably more...

I'd definitely include Toccacelo, Montanari, Gommendy, Kubica, Power, van Lagen, Mondini (if he gets his act together), Valles and Pavlovic in that list. There are quite a few other drivers there with potential who deserve their place on merit (Pilet, Fleming etc). I'm surprised at Zuber's form, seeing as he was a midfielder at best in Euro F3. On the other hand I'm mystified by Salignon, who's looked nothing special since winning the FR2000 Eurocup in 2002.

Zandbak · 27 May 2005, 17:25 (Ref:1311759)

[QUOTE=chunterer]
WS isn't re-packaged 3000, it's repackaged Nissan WS isn't it?! The cars look the part anyway QUOTE]

The chassis of a WS car is the same as a Nissan WS. The aero-package, engine and gearbox are different plus some other small things. The design of the WS Renault / Nissan WS cars is based on the old F1 Honda project from 1999.

**chunterer** · 3 Jun 2005, 18:45 (Ref:1319366)

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Originally Posted by jondownunder

I'd definitely include Toccacelo, Montanari, Gommendy, Kubica, Power, van Lagen, Mondini (if he gets his act together), Valles and Pavlovic in that list. There are quite a few other drivers there with potential who deserve their place on merit (Pilet, Fleming etc). I'm surprised at Zuber's form, seeing as he was a midfielder at best in Euro F3. On the other hand I'm mystified by Salignon, who's looked nothing special since winning the FR2000 Eurocup in 2002.

Slightly delayed reply, but can never seem to find enough time to stay on a thread for more than an hour if i'm lucky before i gotta do some work. Except for tonight where i can catch up on kssed replies to threads!

Yeah, Gommendy, forgot about him and he's probably the top guy if you count his previous F3 form. There wasn't much between him and Pla couple years back and both of them were up there with the best of that season. However, he semmed a bit dud when he 'dropped down' to the V6 Renaults' i thought.

I know you replied to my mention of Gonzo Avatar on another thread, he also had a blinder at Spa the following year didn't he! Although he didn't win the speed he carried through Eau Rouge was on a different planet to everyone else during his recovery drive upto the back of Jason Watt!! Brilliant!

Back on topic, i can;t wait to see theis lot at Donington in September. Think there maybe a fair bit of race duration shortening!!

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