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I very highly doubt that will happen. They haven't put a cent in so far. The only acknowledgement they have even made is when they announce their motorsport programmes, where ESM is shown under the customer racing banner next to ByKolles in LMP1.
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Yup. In all likelihood this is bye-bye Nissan, as I strongly doubt ESM will find a sponsor willing to cough up the money for the program. It's not just the R&D(which is minimal compared to most prototype development programs), it's also that million-dollar "manufacturer participation fee" that's going to be an issue. |
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Can't say this comes as a real surprise. Tequila Patron was bought by Bacardi in January for $5.1 billion — with Ed Brown no longer in charge, there will be a different marketing focus going forward.
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And they have a hella stable of cars that could be lost with their involvement in PC with both the Lites and LMP3 cars. Although I think a few of those could help with funding themselves, don't think there are any pockets deep enough to keep the P cars running. Who needs a consistent, not earth-shattering fast Gold in JVO and a HOT shoe in Pipo, surprisingly also a Gold it seems. I just can't help but feeling it's a drop of 3 cars in the off-season. Maybe the funds to run A P2 Ligier for the NAEC for ESM but as Nissan I think they're done. And think Spirit of Daytona are done without a sponsor filling Visit Florida's shoes. |
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Pretty much. With the buyout comes a new marketing focus. Shame it has to be like that but that’s reality. Gonna miss the Patron colours especially from the Ferrari days. They were the best looking cars that weren’t red. Hope I’m wrong folks but I can’t see ESM picking up sponsors to keep the two cars running and Nissan ain’t coming to the party. Hope to see them on the grid next year even it’s one car but I’m not very confident. |
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...and just that fast DPi's "rapid growth" turns into a "gradual decline". Better hurry up and declare the series dead I guess.
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17 Jul 2018, 00:56 (Ref:3837052) | #359 | |
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Who's next? Mazda? Surely they can't be happy with Joest pretty much at the same level as Speedsource (results wise).
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The ESM team will be running a Ligier Gibson next year imo. Possibly just one entry by the way their talking. The 'Nissan' dpi was never a big program in terms of actual Nissan support anyway. If the Hyundai one comes about, it'll be the same as this year with it taking ESM's place. Sad situation but things happen. |
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Regarding Mazda, maybe they just have to get everything behind the scenes inline and then swap chassis when IMSA decides what it's doing for the next generation. We're due a new set of LMP2 for 2020 (I think it's through till the end of 2020...but who knows with the winter schedule for WEC what they'll do), so maybe they're just doing their best until they can swap? Got to assume Oreca, Ligier and Dallara will be back, and someone will replace the Riley I imagine. |
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regarding Mazda, I think its unfair to say they have been totally useless (not suggesting anyone has actually said they are)... They have shown some fantastic form, and Joest have clearly improved things for this year. But its been said many times in many ways, you can only polish a steaming heap so much... I imagine Mazda just want to grab some little gains here and there while they wait for the next homologation cycle to drop that Riley. |
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Perhaps Mazda needs an upgrade in the drivers department. Have any of the Mazda drivers specifically been underperforming from anybody's observation? Perhaps Derani could fit in there. |
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18 Jul 2018, 13:25 (Ref:3837317) | #366 | |
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Isn't the current DPi formula homologated through 2021 as well?
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I think it is, although IMSA is a bit more flexible than the ACO when it comes to homologation. If it means improved Mazda performance then I could see them shifting the homologation rules for them a bit.
IMSA could do well keeping the old chassis as there will be lots of Oreca and Ligier kicking around after they're outdated. |
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I could definitely see IMSA allowing a Mazda updated toy prior to homologation ending running under draft homologation rules as they have for DPis. Especially with it being Mazda, and the dog of a Riley.
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Different topic, but with Indycar now taking a mid to late Sept spot at Laguna Seca starting in 2019, and having a provision for increased sanctioning fees should the event be too close to the IMSA weekend, I wonder if the Laguna Seca IMSA race moves back to may, after Long Beach. Seem likely?
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For some reason I can't see IMSA going back to Sears Point. They left after '05 for some reason and haven't come back in the ALMS days, and Grand Am gave it a shot a couple of times and left too.
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Yeah, I agree. I think an IMSA event would do well there if laguna was gone, but two events in bay area in 1 yr, prob not gonna happen, tho I can hope!!
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There is probably a looming fight about the next generation of LMP2 rules anyways, which makes the posturing about LMP1 all the more amusing.
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The Michigan Department of Natural Resources is willing to play ball with IndyCar about continuing the Belle Isle race and has made a counter proposal. Basically, DNR wants:
• A little higher park use fee, $310,000 a year instead of the $300,000 a year offered by race organizers. • A larger contribution to the park. Organizers offered to give $50,000 as DNR deems appropriate plus $35,000 for paddock projects/programming. DNR wants $100,000 a year to be spent as it deems appropriate. • Stronger contract usage on set up and tear down time limits (62 day max), including a guarantee that access to park roadways and features be restricted for no more than 21 days. • Limits on where the television helicopter can fly. A USA Today story is available here. A deal between the organizers and the state seems likely, which means for better or worse that IMSA is likely going back to Detroit for the next few years. |
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