Peugeot 2007 - Page 3

gwyllion · 15 Jun 2006, 15:58 (Ref:1635178)

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Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

What are the actual engine regulations for diesel cars in LMP 1 and LMP 2? I know that for a petrol LMP 1 car the engine regulations are either a 4.0ltr twin turbo or 6.0ltr n/a and for LMP 2 petrol its either a 2.0ltr single turbo or a 3.4 n/a but what are the regulations for diesel powered cars?

Just read article 5.1 and appendix A.4 of http://www.lemans.org/sport/sport/re..._ACO_fr_gb.pdf

Diesel is (currently) only allowed for LMP1 and the displacement limit is 5.5 liter is. Like supercharged petrol engines the restrictor size is fixed and the boost is regulated (depending on displacement).

SALEEN S7R · 15 Jun 2006, 16:13 (Ref:1635191)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

Just read article 5.1 and appendix A.4 of http://www.lemans.org/sport/sport/re..._ACO_fr_gb.pdf

Diesel is (currently) only allowed for LMP1 and the displacement limit is 5.5 liter is. Like supercharged petrol engines the restrictor size is fixed and the boost is regulated (depending on displacement).

Ah ok, thanks.

JAG · 15 Jun 2006, 18:45 (Ref:1635353)

Noticed Peugeot claims an official power output of over 700bhp.

This suggests a coupe with the larger 'air conditioning' restrictor size.

Also suggests even if diesel restrictors are brought closer to those of petrol cars, they're still likely to be more powerful.

jhansen · 15 Jun 2006, 19:51 (Ref:1635427)

Or it suggests that Audi understated their potential by a great amount.

gwyllion · 16 Jun 2006, 13:26 (Ref:1635810)

Some on the endurance-info forum posted some more information from a interview of MotorsTV with Bruno Famin, the technical responsible of the 908 project:

The choice of V12 was made mid December, a few days before Audi revealed their TDI engine; so the Peugeot Sport engineers were not influenced at all by the choice of their German collegues. They chose 12 cilinders because they wanted to keep to boring close to that of their production engine and use a reasonable stroke.
Currently the engineers are working with a single cilinder engine on a bench to test different combustion chambres, injectors, ...
One of the most important aspects to get under control is how to transfer the huge torque and power of the tyres to the ground. They will use their WRC experience to develop a suitable traction control system. The partnership with Michelin will be an advantage in this field.
Bruno Famin stresses that Peugeot Sport will do everything in house: the engine, the chassis, running the car, logistics, etc. That is why Peugeot has a motor home at Le Mans this week to observe everything: lap times, number of laps per stint, team organisation, ...
They are starting from a clean sheet for the 908, because the experience of the 905 is not relevant (regulation changes, ...).
Bruno Famin underlines the fact that the factor consumption is often over-estimated and it is not the essential factor in Le Mans where the engines are at full load for a long time. The gain is minimal. In fact, two solutions are possible: either you voluntarily limit the performance of the car to gain in consumption, or you seek the performance and gain less in consumption.

http://www.endurance-info.com/module...&p=12438#12438

broadrun96 · 16 Jun 2006, 16:21 (Ref:1635927)

Anybody else think the Peugeot engine just looks ALOT sexier then the Audi engine? It just looks so much lighter and sleek, but how much will that change after bolting the controls on it and testing the actual engine since as I understand they haven't actually built a working engine yet, just single cylinder test-beds? And have they announced closed or open-top?

gwyllion · 16 Jun 2006, 19:18 (Ref:1635997)

The big difference is that Audi presented a complete running engine with all the wiring and heat protecting tape. Therefore it looks more chaotic and not so slick as this "dummy" Peugeot engine.

DanJR1 · 17 Jun 2006, 17:24 (Ref:1636362)

thats what i cudnt understand. they have an engine but the dyno testing isnt until the end of september?! surely they should get something running asap to iron out any potential problems, and to start tuning it

gwyllion · 20 Jun 2006, 11:56 (Ref:1637688)

I think the location of the particle filters will have to change when putting the real engine in the car. They had to be put at the back of the R10...

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Particulate traps are fitted aft in the chassis at the end of the exhaust pipes. This is not the ideal location for weight distribution, especially in terms of the chassis’ polar moment of inertia. Says Baretsky: “We’d be happier to have them closer to the engine, but this would have put them in the middle of the rear axle.” Again, the composition of the filters is secret, though he did admit the design is a new technology from Dow that is lighter than a typical particulate filter used today.

source: http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/050601.html

JAG · 1 Jul 2006, 17:33 (Ref:1645719)

Rumours are Oliver Gavin could be in line for a drive with Peugeot.

Has he ever drivien an LMP?

XJR14/WSC95 · 2 Jul 2006, 00:13 (Ref:1645938)

With the Peugeot on a similar time line as the R10 last year is it safe to assume the 908 will make its race debut at the 12 hours of Sebring. Giving the team the opportunity to iron out any bugs in the lead up to the only race that really matters.

broadrun96 · 2 Jul 2006, 02:11 (Ref:1645966)

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Originally Posted by XJR14/WSC95

With the Peugeot on a similar time line as the R10 last year is it safe to assume the 908 will make its race debut at the 12 hours of Sebring. Giving the team the opportunity to iron out any bugs in the lead up to the only race that really matters.

Mariantic sportscar racing news website claims it could make its debut at Sebring, and it could make a good shakedown, albeit short, enduro test for the car and a good finish could impress the ACO for an invite. Of course does the probably all-french team really need any help getting invited though?

is there an lms race earlier then the mid-march sebring race for them to test closer to home?

jhansen · 3 Jul 2006, 14:22 (Ref:1647339)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Rumours are Oliver Gavin could be in line for a drive with Peugeot.

Has he ever drivien an LMP?

Wouldn't Olivier Beretta make more sense? Also, could we see Frank Montagny at Peugeot?

JAG · 3 Jul 2006, 14:42 (Ref:1647365)

Peugeot want at least one UK driver for marketing reasons.

Pilgrimage · 3 Jul 2006, 15:20 (Ref:1647393)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Peugeot want at least one UK driver for marketing reasons.

That's good news for the Brits - there just weren't enough this year IMO.

dj choc ice · 3 Jul 2006, 15:56 (Ref:1647426)

british driver for pug i suspect either jamie davis or guy smith or maybe even johnny herbert possibly since i havent heard much about him since last year wonder were he has got to then?

**Adam43** · 3 Jul 2006, 16:25 (Ref:1647444)

Johnny? He can be found either driving historic cars or helping out the Midland F1 team as sporting director (or similar title).

JAG · 3 Jul 2006, 18:27 (Ref:1647507)

With a program of the profile of Peugeot, I'd say some of the British drivers who have been in F1, maybe as test drivers in recent years, could be up for a drive.

dj choc ice · 3 Jul 2006, 18:46 (Ref:1647518)

f1 test drivers?, then my money would be on gary paffet one of the best racing drivers of last year in my eyes except for tom chilton of course but i would have money on gary paffet racing at lemans i could see him racing for peugeot but i think its still speculation at the moment and whether it materialises or not that there is going to be a british driver for peugeot remains to be seen

ger80 · 3 Jul 2006, 19:41 (Ref:1647545)

Jonny would be very good for them. Gives them the full support from the uk people and of course the french because its a french team. Think there will be no audi flags anymore

a british driver? ok, maybe the driver will not be from england or Peugeot knows that there is no penalty shooting for qualifiying next year

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gwyllion · 2 Aug 2006, 09:37 (Ref:1670742)

According to http://www.lemans.maville.com/actu/d...p?idDoc=319279 Peugeot has approached a number of candidates for the position of team manager:

Henri Pescarolo: very unlikely because he doesn't have the preference of the head of Peugeot Frédéric Saint-Geours
Ange Pasquali: team manager of Toyota F1 team, former team manager of Toyota Le Mans project, Toyota and Ford WRC program; also unlikely because of his current position
Jean-Philippe Grand: team manager of Graff Racing and multiple participant of 24LM
Serge Saulnier: team manager of Swiss Spirit

mirkob · 2 Aug 2006, 12:31 (Ref:1670882)

Italian site www.sportautomoto.it said Jean-Philippe Grand was choosen

**PascaLM** · 4 Aug 2006, 20:37 (Ref:1673463)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

According to http://www.lemans.maville.com/actu/d...p?idDoc=319279 Peugeot has approached a number of candidates for the position of team manager:

Henri Pescarolo: very unlikely because he doesn't have the preference of the head of Peugeot Frédéric Saint-Geours
Ange Pasquali: team manager of Toyota F1 team, former team manager of Toyota Le Mans project, Toyota and Ford WRC program; also unlikely because of his current position
Jean-Philippe Grand: team manager of Graff Racing and multiple participant of 24LM
Serge Saulnier: team manager of Swiss Spirit

I'm wondering if André De Cortanze will stay with Pescarolo or not as a development engineer.

jhansen · 7 Aug 2006, 16:52 (Ref:1676759)

Hmm, maybe they should snag a certain Canadian Formula 1 racer that has now become available. I think he'd like a shot at a Le Mans victory. The schedule would certainly be to his liking. Six or seven races along with some testing obligations. He'd definitely help attract attention to sportscar racing and Peugeot.

**Adam43** · 7 Aug 2006, 17:51 (Ref:1676822)

And we'd get all those fans from the F1 forum! *gulp*

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