2018 TCR UK - Page 30

peebee2 · 3 Apr 2018, 08:11 (Ref:3812598)

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Originally Posted by AdrianM

Which has what to do with the standard and quality of the racing?

Probably means good driving standards and a result that wasn’t decided in the office before the start. But don’t argue with the fanboys, it isn’t worth the waste of effort.

Bcarr6 · 3 Apr 2018, 08:37 (Ref:3812600)

Clearly some on here desperate to throw TCR UK under the bus for whatever reason they can imagine, but fact is the racing was pretty decent, and the grid was decent for a first event.

These things need time to grow.

And I'm sure it, or E-TCR UK will replace BTCC eventually.

And im not saying any time soon

antnee · 3 Apr 2018, 08:51 (Ref:3812605)

Lines/Maximum have announced they are upgrading their Cupra to full sequential spec for Rd2 to help them fight for outright wins - that must mean they have intentions to run the full season

Sodemo · 3 Apr 2018, 09:00 (Ref:3812606)

I hope the series can take off and survive. However the lack of even basic reporting is clear to see. I didn’t even see a single article on Autosport about the event. Perhaps that says more about Autosport than TCR. Autosport should just rename itself to “F1 Gossip Clickbait”.

touring fan01 · 3 Apr 2018, 10:15 (Ref:3812613)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

However the lack of even basic reporting is clear to see. I didn’t even see a single article on Autosport about the event

because autosport dont do reporting online of club racing. they only cover significant series.

thats why the stuff you see at the back of autosport magazine itself is in a section called 'club autosport' and which is where the TCRUK reports also are. its clearly designated as club racing.

dont shoot the messenger!

Tja · 3 Apr 2018, 10:42 (Ref:3812616)

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Originally Posted by RED55

I think TCR uk debut layed down a decent marker, it has the potential to be a real affordable touring car series , Lots of so called top BTCC teams I heard through the grape vine ditched it because of the promotional side and the TCR lack of TV airtime . So that tells me they are in BTCC for ,cash first competition second . A TCR car has much greater potential to run in multi championships a BTCC car is 3 times the money , needs 50k spending on development at the end of each year ! and is worth nothing to anyone outside BTCC.

The World championship never adopted NGTC regs but it adopted TCR didnt it and with TCR electric potential its future proofing itself , I wonder where BTCC stance on electric is , Electric touring cars is coming for sure.

Of course the top teams will be interested in the financial side of it too.

The BTCC is in a very comfortable position at the moment. The grid is full of NGTC cars so they can follow how TCR develops and potentially adopt the regulations in the future. TCR is a great concept, but it's not without faults either. BOP didn't seem to work all that well last season with it swinging too far from one side to another far too often and new cars like the i30 coming in and smashing everyone else. The costs have also gone up already. Maximum prizing was changed and development of the cars is also paid for by the customer teams through upgrade packages.

Well done to the promoters on bringing TCR to the UK for now, let's see if they can keep it going. I think some of the criticism on here was fair. They've decided to go on their own, so they have to get their own crowds to the circuits and offer a good media package all by themselves. Attracting sponsors will be challenging and these cars aren't that cheap or that exciting either that I can see a lot of gentlemen drivers wanting to pay for it all.

redshoes · 3 Apr 2018, 11:26 (Ref:3812620)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

I didn’t even see a single article on Autosport about the event. Perhaps that says more about Autosport than TCR. Autosport should just rename itself to “F1 Gossip Clickbait”.

Autosport didn't have a journalist at the event.

Alfisti · 3 Apr 2018, 11:59 (Ref:3812624)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

Autosport didn't have a journalist at the event.

Probably couldn't get a ticket at the gate! 😁

In fairness, the TCR racing was better than anticipated; however, they need desperately to ditch whoever is marketing the series and pay an organisation with experience and talent... sponsors need value for money.

How many casual race goers even know what the series is? I spoke to a couple of dozen people (who were principally there for the other racing) who had no idea...

Attendance was higher than the organizers had expected I'm told. Only went myself on the flip of a coin in the end... Oulton being heads!

pimmy · 3 Apr 2018, 12:10 (Ref:3812626)

I find it astonishing to hear about people not knowing what TCR is in its fourth year of existence. Do these people live under a rock?

If the series can keep up the sort of entry it had a Silverstone for the rest of the year, then I think it'll be a good base to build from for the future.

mark_l · 3 Apr 2018, 12:36 (Ref:3812632)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

Autosport didn't have a journalist at the event.

I think that is more an indication of where Autosport is heading than anything to do with TCR UK.

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keithcollantine · 3 Apr 2018, 14:21 (Ref:3812640)

I thought the quality of racing was alright, though I expected to see more cars.

Good to see they're going to Castle Combe - they need to be a bit innovative with venues and format to position themselves as different to the BTCC.

NaBUru38 · 3 Apr 2018, 18:36 (Ref:3812668)

TCR UK is club racing, BTCC is professional racing. Each to its own.

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Originally Posted by TR4racer

As for not being cheaper...I think a new BTCC car is over £300k, a new TCR car is around €127k for the i30 (around £112k at today’s rates). I think you will see BTCC adopt the TCR regs when NGT has run its course..just my point of view though 😊😊

I agree. Sooner or later, BTCC team owners will ask to allow TCR cars.

Alfisti · 3 Apr 2018, 18:50 (Ref:3812670)

...and then Mr Gow & Co. lose control of technical regulations. Yes, boost and other parameters are tinkered with to keep the fields close, but you are guaranteed some racing as a result.

I'm not saying I agree with everything in BTCC, but compared to the dull dominance in F1 (which has been technical car dominance for years - Hamilton/Merc, Vettel/Red Bull, Schumacher/Ferrari etc.) we at least have the prospect of a race where the winner wasn't determined in a design or engineering facility months prior.

TCR certainly could succeed, certainly the ridiculously expensive WTCC shot itself creating a place there. Generally though, I know most of the BTCC teams are happy with the status quo... so don't expect any regs changed anytime soon.

Famous last words! 😁

CaptRustyNail · 3 Apr 2018, 20:13 (Ref:3812672)

Its Like the Top Gear Vs Grand Tour situation... why pick one.. enjoy both.

Bramzel · 3 Apr 2018, 20:15 (Ref:3812673)

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Originally Posted by CaptRustyNail

Its Like the Top Gear Vs Grand Tour situation... why pick one.. enjoy both.

Best comment so far!

antnee · 3 Apr 2018, 20:52 (Ref:3812679)

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Originally Posted by CaptRustyNail

Its Like the Top Gear Vs Grand Tour situation... why pick one.. enjoy both.

Nail, head.

Sodemo · 4 Apr 2018, 09:33 (Ref:3812758)

Did you hear that they might not do another series of Grand Tour after season 3? (Going OT here a little)

luckn002 · 4 Apr 2018, 09:39 (Ref:3812760)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Did you hear that they might not do another series of Grand Tour after season 3? (Going OT here a little)

And the Top Gear test track is being demolished... Maybe not the best analogy!

AdrianM · 4 Apr 2018, 10:02 (Ref:3812766)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

TCR UK is club racing, BTCC is professional racing. Each to its own.

Yet the vast majority of the BTCC field fund their racing the same way as many "club" racers do from sponsorship and personal funds. TCR isn't man and van racing which is what most people would think of as "club" racing. It's professional teams running expensive cars.

peebee2 · 4 Apr 2018, 10:38 (Ref:3812771)

Don’t feed the trolls! You won’t convert them as they have no clue what you are talking about...

HopAlong · 4 Apr 2018, 16:57 (Ref:3812833)

I do worry that TCR will go like GT3 and GT4, in that the cars will get out of control cost wise. Just look at the Golf, 2 and a half seasons and 2 update kits already. Cost cant be too much different between them with update kits, OEM spare parts prices and the fact a fair few teams change brands to move to a car with better BoP.

Would be interesting to see the difference in price between the a front fender for AMDs Audi S3 vs Audi Sports RS3, or a similar part for both spec of Civic.

On to TCR UK, I do think the series has great potential, though it does need more drivers though as each driver seems to have only 1 or 2 on the same skill level. The cars looked good on track and raced well and while the TCR spec hasn't quite done it for me thanks to the F1 circuits TCR int used, our circuits should hopefully show these cars in a better light.

Sodemo · 30 Apr 2018, 11:50 (Ref:3818354)

No news since Silverstone. Are the next rounds still on etc?

Alfisti · 30 Apr 2018, 12:21 (Ref:3818364)

I believe they are encouraging people with TCR spec cars to come out and play. By encouragement I mean waving cash... From what I hear there are a high single digit number of cars who are planning on showing up. Maybe more to come.

850Estate · 4 May 2018, 10:40 (Ref:3819364)

Josh Price signed up to drive a Civic at Knockhill:

https://www.tcruk.co.uk/index.php/ne...e-at-knockhill

**BertMk2** · 4 May 2018, 10:53 (Ref:3819370)

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Originally Posted by 850Estate

Josh Price signed up to drive a Civic at Knockhill:

https://www.tcruk.co.uk/index.php/ne...e-at-knockhill

One in - one out - Stewart Lines won't be at Knockhill as he's waiting on a gearbox for the SEAT.

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