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Old 1 Aug 2017, 08:04 (Ref:3756616)   #101
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Vettel hasn't made anything! Nor did Schu. It's the Management and engineering/technical departments that come up with the goods. The drivers are paid to assist with development and have to make the most of what they've been given.
Completely agree. The drivers do contribute in regard to feedback on exactly what they need & want in the car to extract the most out of themselves and how the car could be improved in regard to what it does but ultimately they neither design, nor build, nor maintain the cars - the teams do that.
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Old 1 Sep 2017, 06:40 (Ref:3763369)   #102
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This is hilarious.. poor old Vettel trying his best here.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...orders-947385/
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Old 1 Sep 2017, 08:52 (Ref:3763379)   #103
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Well, we all know how the hierarchy was always going to work there. There never was any doubts over status in the team, and more than there really is at Mercedes, or many of the other teams, for that matter.
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This is hilarious.. poor old Vettel trying his best here.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...orders-947385/
Looking closely at what Vettel says though, it is not as clear cut as just denying team orders exist.
One thing that Schumacher was regularly criticised for was the fact that his teammates would pull aside and let him past. This is what the general viewer seems to take offence too as 'team orders'.

Most F1 viewers can accept that tactics play a part in F1, and are willing to forgive a driver acting as a rear-gunner for their teammate. They also are generally fine with giving a tow in qualifying, even if the driver sacrifices their own result.

It is this kind of tactical play that I think Vettel is wanting to portray as happening at Ferrari, in an attempt to make them seem more sporting than Mercedes. A clear #1 and #2 in a team is fine, and he is putting forward the claim that Ferrari allows a #2 driver to properly race, but will also be the recipient of the least preferred position when it comes to tactical decisions such as when to pit.

At the season's end, if Hamilton wins the title, Vettel wants the narrative to read that Mercedes used team orders to give Hamilton the title, with Bottas handing over positions without a challenge, whilst Ferrari employed tactics to give him the best chance but he still had to compete with his teammate to get the results.
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And I guess he hopes that we'll believe that.....
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And I guess he hopes that we'll believe that.....
I would imagine that most posters on here believe every single word that comes out of the mouths of every single guy in F1.
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