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Old 16 Mar 2009, 18:30 (Ref:2416847)   #51
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Old 16 Mar 2009, 19:20 (Ref:2416887)   #52
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Seriously guys

You think you can get these things round Hednesford!!

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Old 16 Mar 2009, 19:26 (Ref:2416889)   #53
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Old 16 Mar 2009, 20:03 (Ref:2416922)   #54
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We have testing coming up on the 27th and 28th, if anyone would like a run out in a car then they should get in touch with Tony on 07860327397
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Old 16 Mar 2009, 22:32 (Ref:2417023)   #55
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TYpically narrow minded post there R59

HAve you actually been stock car racing in teh UK, or is REAL racing not our cup of tea!
I will stand up here and say NO, I haven't raced on a short oval. I have tested however. Many years ago, when I was a boy, I tried a GP Midget around Northampton. It was fun for a couple of laps, then my interest waned. I wanted more.....

I own a NASA Class II Mk2 Escort, now that IS my kind of fun. Off the line, flat chat, trying to keep it going as fast forwards as you can while navigating out of the side window! You only lift when you've passed the chequered flag, or the green/brown stuff becomes "up", instead of "down".

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Watching 10 cars rod around an oval never built right in the first place is hardly my idea of fun!

Hope this series comes off, but am not gonna wait up, if based in Europe maybe, but UK too MSA biased for this kind of series.

Do what I do, stay away from MSA series, they just ruin everything!!
I agree, the MSA don't know how to handle an oval series. The 10 cars bit has been debated to death on here, so I won't decline into another one.

I hope it continues to grow (because it IS growing), I really really do and more circuits are built. My love is the bigger faster oval, it's one hell of a buzz. In the UK, I'm sure the MSA will try to poke their nose in if other circuits over 1 mile are built.

So no, I'm not narrow minded Mr Chunder. It's me looking at it from the "punters" point of view here.

When I said to someone that I raced a Stock Car (while touting for sponsorship) they immediately came back and said "We don't do banger racing mate, try your local scrap yard". It's the persona that it's got in the UK, if not in Europe. In the 'States it's different, but for some reason you can't get that through to people over here, no matter how hard we try. And I did try, and still do try.

When I changed my tack to say that I raced in the "UK's answer to NASCAR" it got a more understanding response, or a "what's that", where "Stock Car" always got "oh, what? like Bangers?"

So, do you understand where I'm coming from here? Or is that chip on your shoulder too big?

Calling it Late Models will bring a "What's that then", rather than a "no, not interested"
And that in my opinion is a good thing.

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Old 17 Mar 2009, 09:06 (Ref:2417205)   #56
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The MSA Vs Oval promoters stuff is real nonesense. Crikey, even Rugby League and Union talk to each other now. Its about time everyone grew up, recognised the benefits of each others "product" and helped each other out. If Rockingham want to run one race on the "twisty" circuits to MSA regs and another on the "roundy roundy" circuit to an oval promoters regs then it should be able to.

And another thing. I think that the Late Model/ ASCAR bodywork needs to have European derivatives in order to build some brand recognition/ support. I have absolutely no idea what a Fusion or Charger etc etc is, but I do know what a BMW 5 series or an Audi A6 etc are and if I was a spectator I would naturally lean towards supporting an Audi driver!
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Old 17 Mar 2009, 17:22 (Ref:2417553)   #57
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And another thing. I think that the Late Model/ ASCAR bodywork needs to have European derivatives in order to build some brand recognition/ support. I have absolutely no idea what a Fusion or Charger etc etc is, but I do know what a BMW 5 series or an Audi A6 etc are and if I was a spectator I would naturally lean towards supporting an Audi driver!
I am not convinced using European models is the way to go. Maybe they should race these cars as Ford, Chevrolet, Toyota and Dodge. So not using the model names Fusion, Monte Carlo, Camry and Charger.
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Old 17 Mar 2009, 17:30 (Ref:2417563)   #58
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When I said to someone that I raced a Stock Car (while touting for sponsorship) they immediately came back and said "We don't do banger racing mate, try your local scrap yard". It's the persona that it's got in the UK, if not in Europe. In the 'States it's different, but for some reason you can't get that through to people over here, no matter how hard we try. And I did try, and still do try.

When I changed my tack to say that I raced in the "UK's answer to NASCAR" it got a more understanding response, or a "what's that", where "Stock Car" always got "oh, what? like Bangers?"

So, do you understand where I'm coming from here? Or is that chip on your shoulder too big?

Calling it Late Models will bring a "What's that then", rather than a "no, not interested"
And that in my opinion is a good thing.

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Okay, I understand why using the Late Model name.
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Old 17 Mar 2009, 17:44 (Ref:2417579)   #59
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I am not convinced using European models is the way to go. Maybe they should race these cars as Ford, Chevrolet, Toyota and Dodge. So not using the model names Fusion, Monte Carlo, Camry and Charger.
If NASCAR were to create a European series (unlikely), Mondeo, Insignia, Avensis and Avenger badging would be beneficial for the manufacturers. Otherwise, it's rather pointless.
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Old 17 Mar 2009, 17:56 (Ref:2417592)   #60
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If NASCAR were to create a European series (unlikely), Mondeo, Insignia, Avensis and Avenger badging would be beneficial for the manufacturers. Otherwise, it's rather pointless.
No problem but please keep the current Late Model body shape and cars, so don't switch to something like a V8Star.
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Old 18 Mar 2009, 13:54 (Ref:2418270)   #61
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Don't see why the objection to "europeanising" the body shapes - no one has explained why this is a bad thing yet.

Nascar generates, and benefits from, brand loyalty, as does Australian V8 Supercars, if you continue to use body shells which bare no resemblense to those in the European market place then you are not going to get that recognition and interest.

As for the name of the series, I understand R59s point but I still think that something more familiar would be better. Pity that the BRSCC seem to still hold on to the Eurocar name, has anybody asked them for the rights to it, or is that all too political??!! How about "Euro V8s"
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Old 18 Mar 2009, 17:46 (Ref:2418446)   #62
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Shouldn't be that difficult to get those different make decals made up either.
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Old 18 Mar 2009, 17:51 (Ref:2418455)   #63
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well, these cars are Late Models, I dont see why they should be changed.

And the body shells of these cars dont even resemble american cars either, all thats needed is some decals.
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Old 18 Mar 2009, 20:17 (Ref:2418600)   #64
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To be honest, whilst I do think what the series is called and what the cars are marketed as is important, I think the most important issue (and the one that I am astonished has not been picked up & discussed further) is the one about the Oval promoters and the MSA working together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 19 Mar 2009, 15:05 (Ref:2419368)   #65
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Isnt european series with euro car bodys sounding alot like eurocar? Mondeo body shells i seem to remember.
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Old 19 Mar 2009, 18:05 (Ref:2419515)   #66
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Didn't the original Eurocar V8 bodies that look like nothing in particular and the V6s like Mondeos?
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Didn't the original Eurocar V8 bodies that look like nothing in particular and the V6s like Mondeos?
Both the V6s and V8s had Mondeo shells.
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Old 19 Mar 2009, 19:48 (Ref:2419640)   #68
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As much as you all may wish for it to be called something different and use different shaped cars, it isn't and it wont. We use the American bodies because they are cheap and plentiful and we use the American I.D Kits because they come with the bodys. When a manufacturer wants to pay a driver for using a certain type of car shape or name then I'm sure it will be looked into further. In the mean time, they are what they are!
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Old 19 Mar 2009, 20:19 (Ref:2419684)   #69
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Ironically

ASCAR was create in 2000 and used rules similar to defunct ASA Grand National Tour.

CAMSO V8 used rules similar to ASA Late-Models Series. Lonely difference between CAMSO V8 and ASA-LMS are weight, shocks, tires. CAMSO only allowed GM CRATE ENGINE at 400HP for 650cfm 4-Barrels Carb. With the Barry Grant 750cfm 4-barrels carb, CAMSO could develop near 450HP.

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The reason why ASA Grand National Tour are now defunct is because of the expansive races on Speedway over 3/4-mile. ASA Grand Nat'l TOUR raced on short-track for over 35 years without any probs.

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R59, you practiced with a midget car into Short-Track.

But, it's lot different to race with 15-20 others Late-Models on Short-Track, specially a banked one like Warneton. Try it and you'll discover something really Special!!!
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Old 19 Mar 2009, 20:58 (Ref:2419728)   #70
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Andy97 - I'm agree that European "branding" might help if the series was looking for big recognition, but the organisers are not looking for that, they are looking for a successful series in it's own rights, standing on it's own two feet with happy fulfilled competitors. And that is a good thing, and the right way to go in my opinion (based on how sooo wrong ASCAR went).
Then again - look at V8 Star, that had European body shapes, and failed. It failed for political reasons, nothing to do with spectacle (similar reasons why SCV8 didn't happen in the UK)

MAG - the reason the ASA Grand National Tour failed was a combination of things, starting with the MTV Lawsuit, following through changes of ownership, lies, and unpaid bills! See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...on#MTV_Lawsuit

It basically got too big for it's own boots - had the TNN/CBS Cable deal still been in place (and MTV not broken their end of the contract), I'm sure that the ASA Grand National Tour would have still been running, and the knock on effect there may have seen the UK ASCAR/DoT/SCSA/V8Trophy series survive the closure of Gerry Forsythe's chequebook...

And the midget I drove was a GP Midget - a UK thing - a 1300cc small car that goes like a bat out of hell on a short oval. They are one of the fastest things on a 1/4mile track. I like fast, but it was the "blat-brake-blat-brake-blat-brake" that bored me after a short while. Heck it was quick, but not the kind of thing that sets me off.

Now - on a dirt track - (I have never tried a shale track) - something like a grasstrack - it's totally different (people who race grasstrack will know what I'm saying). I'd love to take a Late-Model dirt car around a grasstrack - though one of the UK organisers, NASA, didn't want to let me even "demonstrate" one if I brought one over from the 'States.
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Both the V6s and V8s had Mondeo shells.

I don't agree. The V6 cars were old shape Mondeo originally and then a Pontiac shelled car was allowed too, & possibly a Toyota (I don't remember). The V8s were originally built to look like nothing in particuler, on purpose, but later had front ends grafted on them to make them more specific - Kevin Clarke ran one which looked like a Mercedes (in fact a friend of mine has it now). Not sure what other body styles raced.
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These type fo series are very hard to get off th ground and be succesful

Eurocar was good coz it caught peopels imagination, it was full of short oval stars who overtook in places long circuit rodders never even thought possible

The organisers tried to make the drivers personalities at a time when this was rare in motorsport, and the tv coverage was great.

The racing was close, the cars suited the tracks etc

The V8 never worked, ASCAR never worked and anythign in Europe or here didnt work.

Cost is an issue, as is the fact that the MSA have made it pretty clear that they dont really want oval racing to work on THEIR tracks, so off to Europe with you or run with the "bangers" on short ovals

Who really wants to spend silly money going round in circles when you can pay the same for a season in just about any other series in the UK?

Its about choice and so far choice has only succeeded in spreading UK racing far too thin for far too long!
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Old 20 Mar 2009, 11:06 (Ref:2420116)   #73
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Of course MSA dont wont them
Because they now the succes of Nascar end the lower devisions in the states
But in Europe people forgot how it went so bigg in the states
Start small, this means now 1 mile tracks or bigger but 1/4 mile and 1/2 mile tracks,low budget cars like the Camso V8 so you dont need big sponsors,and you wil get spectacular races and that brings people to the stadiums
About the shape of the body,the arodynamic rule makes them the way the are now
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Old 20 Mar 2009, 11:48 (Ref:2420153)   #74
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I spend about £3,000 a year racing these cars, Chunder. You wanna show me another formula where I can do that? My dad spends more than that in Stock Hatch. I race his Saxo occasionlly and frankly, I wouldn't spend the money he spends to race a car with just over 100 bhp.

And as for it being successful, CAMSO V8 already is and established, that is why we are able to get the car count. All we are doing is moving it to the next level. In the worst possible scenario, we will all still go racing, exactlly as we did last year!
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I beleive there is one rental car left for the first race, if any of you fancy it!
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