testing-what licence do you need?

minifox · 31 Oct 2007, 18:42 (Ref:2056143)

hi,
i was wondering what license do you require to test formula fords at general test/track days?

thanks

**Tim Falce** · 31 Oct 2007, 18:47 (Ref:2056149)

Quote:

Originally Posted by minifox

hi,
i was wondering what license do you require to test formula fords at general test/track days?

thanks

For a test day you'll need at least Nat A or B and for a track day (if you can find one that'll allow open wheelers) you only need your car licence.

GORDON STREETER · 31 Oct 2007, 20:32 (Ref:2056256)

You're right there falce, I went to a "track day" to test my car that had a misfire problem, and just took my race licence. However the powers that be did phone Swansea to check so all was not lost !

minifox · 31 Oct 2007, 20:47 (Ref:2056266)

thanks for the reply
so does this mean that if you are 16 and have not done your ards then you wont be able to test a car untill you do?

**Tim Falce** · 31 Oct 2007, 20:53 (Ref:2056275)

I wouldn't have thought so and you won't be able to do a track day either.

GORDON STREETER · 31 Oct 2007, 20:54 (Ref:2056276)

There may be times that unlicensed /under age drivers can drive round a circuit but not on general track days.

GORDON STREETER · 31 Oct 2007, 21:04 (Ref:2056286)

A point of interest do you have to have a road licence to get a normal Nat A or B licence. Why I ask this is in my dim and distant past I got banned on the road 2 or 3 times but still carried on racing. This was about 25 or so years ago perhaps things have altered.

R59 · 1 Nov 2007, 00:01 (Ref:2056444)

These days, Gordon, if you get banned on the road, your race licence is also invalid for the period of the ban.

Al Weyman · 1 Nov 2007, 09:43 (Ref:2056653)

Which I think is quite bloody ridiculous especially if the ban was imposed from a penalty points system and accumulated for minor speeding offences, smacks of hypocrosy to me. Do they ask you for details of a your current driving licence when you apply for a race licence? I cannot recollect forwarding that information so what on earth does it have to do with MSA or FIA if you dont have a current road licence for whatever reason? I continued racing HotRods with a driving ban years ago but then again they always seemed to have a more sensible down to earth attitude to things.

Bob Pearson · 1 Nov 2007, 10:11 (Ref:2056683)

There are several formulas which allow 16 year olds to compete, how do they get on when they want to test?

***Chris Y*** · 1 Nov 2007, 10:22 (Ref:2056694)

They have MSA licences.

Bob Pearson · 1 Nov 2007, 10:27 (Ref:2056700)

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Originally Posted by Chris Y

They have MSA licences.

I know that, but they have obviously been able to get that licence without holding a road licence.

terence · 1 Nov 2007, 12:10 (Ref:2056813)

No,They pay thier money and go along and do the ARDS course!

Not sure if the "No Road Licence" thing still stands,I know it used to be that way,but I thought it had changed a couple of years ago?

Bob Pearson · 1 Nov 2007, 12:14 (Ref:2056820)

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Originally Posted by terence bower

No,They pay thier money and go along and do the ARDS course!

Not sure if the "No Road Licence" thing still stands,I know it used to be that way,but I thought it had changed a couple of years ago?

I suspect that is the case, otherwise the 16 year olds simply would not be competing.

GORDON STREETER · 1 Nov 2007, 13:44 (Ref:2056906)

quote=Al Weyman I continued racing HotRods with a driving ban years ago but then again they always seemed to have a more sensible down to earth attitude to things.[/quote]

You ain't wrong there Al!

graeme · 2 Nov 2007, 09:58 (Ref:2057563)

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Originally Posted by racing59

These days, Gordon, if you get banned on the road, your race licence is also invalid for the period of the ban.

I'm not sure your racing licence is automatically revoked if you're banned. I think your licence can be revoked if you "bring the sport into disrepute" - IIRC an off-road champion lost her MSA licence after being convicted of drink driving.

Bob Pearson · 2 Nov 2007, 10:29 (Ref:2057596)

Although I have never tested the system, I have always believed that speeding wouldn't be taken seriously by the MSA, but drink driving would. If that really is the case it is at least a blow for common sense on both counts.

AU N EGL · 3 Nov 2007, 13:39 (Ref:2058575)

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Originally Posted by Bob Pearson

I know that, but they have obviously been able to get that licence without holding a road licence.

Did they race go-karts ?

rcarr · 3 Nov 2007, 15:35 (Ref:2058652)

You've all got me worried now. I am potentially going to lose my road licence for a year, due to "dangerous driving" even though I am 100% innocent, if I have my racing car up n running by next year I thought I could race during my road ban.

Col_Rugby · 3 Nov 2007, 17:36 (Ref:2058716)

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Originally Posted by rcarr

I am potentially going to lose my road licence for a year, due to "dangerous driving"

Don't worry. I'm sure you would fit in the BTCC nicely.

I know how you feel about being innocent & still getting "done".I've had it on a non driving "event" where the only witness happened to be their nephew who testified against me. needless to say you're

if you take on the law.
Best of luck rcarr

Col

rcarr · 4 Nov 2007, 16:50 (Ref:2059372)

Cheers col. I will appeal it if I get banned, they have no evidence against me, all the evidence is with me.

**Tim Falce** · 4 Nov 2007, 17:02 (Ref:2059377)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarr

You've all got me worried now. I am potentially going to lose my road licence for a year, due to "dangerous driving" even though I am 100% innocent, if I have my racing car up n running by next year I thought I could race during my road ban.

I don't see how anyone at the MSA would know whether you have a car licence or not unless someone tells on you?
Can someone point to where it mentions that you need a car licence to hold an MSA licence, after all how many SaxMax or T car drivers hold full UK car licences?

terence · 4 Nov 2007, 17:38 (Ref:2059391)

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Originally Posted by rcarr

Cheers col. I will appeal it if I get banned, they have no evidence against me, all the evidence is with me.

If they have "No Evidence",How come you have recieved the N.I.P?.I should have thought you'd be better off ensuring you dont lose you' license rather than appealing after you've lost it!.Sometimes the appeal system can take longer than the ban.

Suze · 5 Nov 2007, 09:08 (Ref:2059900)

You do not need a full UK License in order to take your ARDs. Whether it can cause problems or not at the individual circuit ie are they happy to let you out to take your test I don't know, but there are circuits where you definitely don't need a full UK license.

graeme · 5 Nov 2007, 09:21 (Ref:2059909)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarr

You've all got me worried now. I am potentially going to lose my road licence for a year, due to "dangerous driving" even though I am 100% innocent, if I have my racing car up n running by next year I thought I could race during my road ban.

I'd keep very quiet. I don't think the Blue Book says anything about this - I think it'd only be high profile cases, so in your interests not to let the MSA know.

I think you were discussing a friend of yours in this situation, weren't you...?

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