British Rallycross R5 - Lydden

[Sarge]

Updated entry on British Rallycross website. Flaherty and Proctor added to Supercar.

Great entry overall and hopefully moving the event back to one day will attract a decent crowd.

Supercar predictions?

1st Proctor
2nd Ollie
3rd Godfrey

Would love to see the RS200 on the podium though!

[Hickey]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Updated entry on British Rallycross website. Flaherty and Proctor added to Supercar.

Great entry overall and hopefully moving the event back to one day will attract a decent crowd.

Supercar predictions?

1st Proctor
2nd Ollie
3rd Godfrey

Would love to see the RS200 on the podium though!

Mark Flaherty from the 90s? Blue 6r4 number 77 I think? That's awesome! maybe in liams car? Some more numbers in other classes too including Dutch nationals.

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Hickey

Mark Flaherty from the 90s? Blue 6r4 number 77 I think? That's awesome! maybe in liams car?

That's the one - he'll be in Pats DS3.

[chunder]

Liam will be at Cadwell as the event is sponsored by Monster, we still do not know why he was banned, how long the licence is suspended or anything.

He certainly will not be driving anything, unless it is purely for PR reasons.

[Hal Ridge]

Flaherty returns to rallycross

http://www.rallycrossworld.com/2014/...to-rallycross/

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by chunder

Liam will be at Cadwell as the event is sponsored by Monster, we still do not know why he was banned, how long the licence is suspended or anything.

He certainly will not be driving anything, unless it is purely for PR reasons.

If you don't know how long (or why) he has been banned, how can you be certain he won't be driving?

According to the BSB Facebook page he (or at the least the car) will be doing a demo on Sunday.

[chunder]

Surely if he is banned he will only be demonstrating something?

Have you ever been to a bike meeting?

Cars are not really what fans want to see!!

Who cares anyway, some information would be nice he is only going because his pro diabetes sponsor is paying for it

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by chunder

Have you ever been to a bike meeting?

Cars are not really what fans want to see!!

Not entirely sure how relevant either point is to this thread but yes, I've been to one or two. I agree that cars aren't likely to be of any interest to the vast majority of attendees, but bike races aren't exclusively for bikers and a rallycross Supercar might raise a few eyebrows, so no harm in a bit of PR (in my opinion anyway).

Originally Posted by chunder

Surely if he is banned he will only be demonstrating something?

I don't know. I'm not au fait enough with the regulations to say for sure; does a suspended license purely restrict you from racing or for taking part in any form of track activity?

Given that none of us seem to be in possession of the facts though I'd be reluctant to to make any sweeping statements on the "certainty" of what is or isn't going to happen.

[chasing cars]

Great to hear Mark Flaherty back in rallycross. Though he's most well known for driving the 6R4 it was before that when he drove a mk3 rwd Escort in formula B, number 777, that he really caught my attention, always one of the most committed through the chicane at Lydden.

Really annoyed that I wont be able to make it on Monday, looks like being a really good meeting.

[Hampton Caught]

Can't wait for the Lydden meeting this coming Monday. Mark Flaherty told me about his forthcoming drive in Pat's DS3 when I visited him at his home in June. (This was to give him the model of his blue 6R4 I'd made for him. Shame he won't be running 77 or 777 this weekend, but glad he'll be there, full stop.

Fingers crossed he'll compete in next year's championship. More the merrier!!

Mark's son, Mitchell, is making his rallycross debut in the Suzuki Swifts along with Marty Hawkes who has made the move from supermodifieds.

So glad that Rosie (the RS200) will be competing again after the mobile BBQ last time out at Lydden! Will be fascinating to see how competitive Pat is against the modern machinery.

With regards to Group B, let's not forget it was 2008 when Lawrence Gibson won the Championship in his 6R4. I suspect, and will check, that Pat's RS200 has been modified beyond the Retro-Rallycross criteria so wouldn't be eligible. (Shame really!).

Cheers, Steve

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Hampton Caught

So glad that Rosie (the RS200) will be competing again after the mobile BBQ last time out at Lydden! Will be fascinating to see how competitive Pat is against the modern machinery.

I suspect, and will check, that Pat's RS200 has been modified beyond the Retro-Rallycross criteria so wouldn't be eligible. (Shame really!).

Definitely good to see it back in action - from looking at the toasting it did look like fuel burning rather than car so I guess the actual damage wasn't too great? Bodywork on those is pretty much 'disposable' anyway isn't it

The spec of the car is a tricky one - I'd have thought the rebuild into the 'Q8' car would have been close to the spec it ran when it was in that livery first time around (and would therefore be Retro eligible surely?). The final evolution of the car before it was 'retired' would I guess be some way off the Retro rules! It'd be good to find out what makes it ineligible (if anything).

[tbtstt]

Was trawling through some old rallycross DVD's last night to try and educate myself on Mark Flaherty. Seems to be a lot of praise for him from the long-term rallycross fans, so I look forward to seeing him on track.

Originally Posted by Hampton Caught

So glad that Rosie (the RS200) will be competing again after the mobile BBQ last time out at Lydden! Will be fascinating to see how competitive Pat is against the modern machinery.

With regards to Group B, let's not forget it was 2008 when Lawrence Gibson won the Championship in his 6R4. I suspect, and will check, that Pat's RS200 has been modified beyond the Retro-Rallycross criteria so wouldn't be eligible. (Shame really!).

The RS200 is (rather predictably) the highlight of the entry list for me. I really hope its competitive against the modern cars, but even if its not its still going to be great to see an RS200 among the Supercars.

Be very interested to know what configuration Rosie is running in if you can get that information Hampton.

[chunder]

Mark was a decent driver at the time, but not (in my opinion) of the quality of a Gollop, Rennison or Steve Palmer.

He drove well in Formula B as I recall, an ex Gary Baker rwd Fiesta he was pretty quick in, but again not on the pace of Squibb, Bardy or Roger usually.

Not sure of the origins of his Metro, was metallic blue, maybe ex Moyce? Not sure.

But it was a Gtech car, he won a few rounds of the series in 1990, Cadwell being one, about on Denis's pace? Then I think he dropped a 3.5 or even a 3.8 big motor in there for 91 and 92 and did some European rounds, most of the series in fact in 92, was able to get into Finals, I think even a B Final in germany and was pretty useful in Europe.

Not sure what he did post Group B.

A quick guy, as I say not on a par with Palmer, Gollop et al, but if we had had an IN team in those days I am sure he would have been a contender for a place after Will, Steve and John Welch, Squibby, Pat.

Just another sign of how deep our talent pool was in those days.

[rx-guru]

Flaherty did the ERC only in 1992, competing in 9 of the 11 rounds. Made it 4 times into the B final and was excluded from the results in Sweden. Don't remember why, would need to dive deep into files for to find out.

[USRallycross]

If I remember correctly he was going to run a Mitsubishi Carisma in Group N post the Metro. Was he a Mitsi dealer? Can't remember what Hallmark were.

Also, I think he spent some time at Her Majesty's pleasure after a road accident.

Wish I could be there Monday. I did offer the Mk1 to Mr. Binks but obviously he is a little focused on Loheac. Maybe his home event at Croft could tempt him......


Mark

[ebby]

Don't get me wrong, I love the RS200. But in 2014 when many newbies are taking a look at rallycross of the back of the world championship, an RS200 genuinely competing? Really? Not sure it feels right now. Weve gotta move on to develop the sport?

[furby]

Although it will be great to see the RS200 i feel its wrong to include it in the supercar class in the british championship, its a retro car, it was only a couple of years ago that Mr Doran wanted rid of old style supermods plus all the pug 205's from stockhatch which in turn killed the class ! but now its ok to race a 25 year old car in the highest profile class in the sport, hmmmmm.

[GOLDFINGER]

[QUOTE=tbtstt;3445721]If you don't know how long (or why) he has been banned, how can you be certain he won't be driving?

Have a look on You Tube, the aftermath of pat dorans rs200 at Lydden & that might answer your question think its 12 months

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by GOLDFINGER

Have a look on You Tube, the aftermath of pat dorans rs200 at Lydden & that might answer your question think its 12 months

If you mean the rant at the marshalls then I don't need to watch the video: I was stood about 30 feet away when he did it!

Do you know if its definitely due to the Lydden incident then Goldfinger? And not related to the log book issue that was mentioned in Norway (or something else)?

[Thundersports]

Originally Posted by chunder

Mark was a decent driver at the time, but not (in my opinion) of the quality of a Gollop, Rennison or Steve Palmer.

He drove well in Formula B as I recall, an ex Gary Baker rwd Fiesta he was pretty quick in, but again not on the pace of Squibb, Bardy or Roger usually.

Not sure of the origins of his Metro, was metallic blue, maybe ex Moyce? Not sure.

But it was a Gtech car, he won a few rounds of the series in 1990, Cadwell being one, about on Denis's pace? Then I think he dropped a 3.5 or even a 3.8 big motor in there for 91 and 92 and did some European rounds, most of the series in fact in 92, was able to get into Finals, I think even a B Final in germany and was pretty useful in Europe.

Not sure what he did post Group B.

A quick guy, as I say not on a par with Palmer, Gollop et al, but if we had had an IN team in those days I am sure he would have been a contender for a place after Will, Steve and John Welch, Squibby, Pat.

Just another sign of how deep our talent pool was in those days.

Indeed what a great talent pool it was i'd include Shields in the top bracket of drivers as well. Agree on Flaherty a very good driver in a era of greats.

[chunder]

Thunder

Apologies yes you are right, Micahel was totally dominant in 89 in the Metro, a totally natural talent, who again just went away.

I would actually include Lawrence Gibson too, the things he achieved with a Metro against unlimited power cars like Carnegie was staggering!

BTW, can anyone confirm Doran has a 12 month ban? That sounds huge and would not simply be for one thing, sounds accumulative?

[FIRE]

This silence about Dorans ban shows RX is still far away from being a mature form of motorsport. This applies to organizations, teams but also journalists.

E.g. German GT driver Maximilian Buhk is suspended until further notice for ignoring orders from track officials. His suspension is made public. In my opinion this is the normal way because it has consequences for his racing career. It would be different if it was something private like losing driving licence.

[Minicross424]

Can anyone give me an idea of roughly what time first heats will be?
Looked on final instructions but dont say much.

[Hickey]

I'd be amazed if they started much after 10am. Get you wet gear and wellies!!

[Minicross424]

Originally Posted by Hickey

I'd be amazed if they started much after 10am. Get you wet gear and wellies!!

Ha I know!
My 3 year old boy is coming too and the amount to pack is unreal!!