Is Murphy past his used by date ?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by rich07

You sure you have the right can?

In all seriousness though (and leaving Clipsal out of it), I think Murph is past his peak but certainly still worthy of a seat. Its a shame he's still not at his prime because when he was, it was fantastic to watch. Gotta agree, he'd make a great enduro driver (name your price) and this is where I see him heading in the next few years.

Definately the day

[DX20VT]

Originally Posted by PVDA

I believe if a driver is travelling at less than race pace they should be off line at all times to keep out of the way of everyone else.

It was the last corner before the startfinish straight,
so presuming they were going to to make the next lap a "hot lap"
then you need to take that corner on the racing line accelerating out of it as fast as possible to have as much speed on board as you start the next lap,

So I think they should have been on that line,
and webb?( Think that's who was hit) was probably just waiting for the car that was not that far in front to get a little gap,
as you cant really qualify on the bumper of another car as you wont beat there time and Webb had shown pace the day before.

I see it as a racing incident unfortunatly.

And murf is probably past his best but as long as a sponsor wants to pay for him he will have a seat like Ingall.

[Jerico]

Greg can still drive a fast car very fast as fast as the best of them. It's the making an average car a fast car he straggles with. Put him in Lowndes seat and Lowndes in gregs car and see how they go. The guy can still drive he just doesn't have the guys to tune the car for him like he had at K Mart. He's never been the same driver after K Mart ended I don't think.

[DX20VT]

Originally Posted by Jerico

Greg can still drive a fast car very fast as fast as the best of them. It's the making an average car a fast car he straggles with. Put him in Lowndes seat and Lowndes in gregs car and see how they go. The guy can still drive he just doesn't have the guys to tune the car for him like he had at K Mart. He's never been the same driver after K Mart ended I don't think.

When he was at PMM he had a 888 spec car, and they were paying for and recieving 888 data and setup info for each session,
and they were at opposite ends of the field.
Sure he may still be a good driver, but in V8SC good is not good enough.

He has got into the Supertourers in NZ as he knows he'll be out of V8SC soon, basically said as much in his interview on NZ TV.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by peckstar

you do realsie its impossible to be off line at all times (without driving on the grass)

Yes I do.

You have watched the incident in question??

I have and from what I can see Webb isn't accelarting to race pace to start a flying lap and there was plenty of room on the drivers right side of the track to keep out of the way.

This is a 50/50 racing incident but it's not all Murf's fault.

[M Jones]

Originally Posted by Jerico

Greg can still drive a fast car very fast as fast as the best of them. It's the making an average car a fast car he straggles with. Put him in Lowndes seat and Lowndes in gregs car and see how they go. The guy can still drive he just doesn't have the guys to tune the car for him like he had at K Mart. He's never been the same driver after K Mart ended I don't think.

I would have to fully agree with the comments here. If your cars not set up right its impossible to keep up. I don't really think its true he would have had the same setups as the 888 boys, or even a car thats identical to theirs.

Mike

[Jerico]

Originally Posted by DX20VT

When he was at PMM he had a 888 spec car, and they were paying for and recieving 888 data and setup info for each session,
and they were at opposite ends of the field.
Sure he may still be a good driver, but in V8SC good is not good enough.

He has got into the Supertourers in NZ as he knows he'll be out of V8SC soon, basically said as much in his interview on NZ TV.

Having a 888 built car and recieving set up data etc sounds good but in reality it's only a help and is not going to put you along side Jamie on the grid
888 would have only been giving a set up window and the PMM cars would'n of had all the little tricks that are bolted into the 888 cars.
Quite often it is such little things that can turn a good car in to a great car, like just 25 pounds in the rear spring.
You hit the nail on the head PMM!

[Chappelli]

Originally Posted by PVDA

Yes I do.

You have watched the incident in question??

I have and from what I can see Webb isn't accelarting to race pace to start a flying lap and there was plenty of room on the drivers right side of the track to keep out of the way.

This is a 50/50 racing incident but it's not all Murf's fault.

Jamie Whincup knows a thing or two about qualifying... he seems to do alright without a "race pace" start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzcM-...h_response_rev
The turn onto the front straight is actually pretty tight.

[davester]

Murf has attracted a blue chip sponsor.
Murf is in a well rated team...not the best but well rated none the less.
He's around mid-pack most of the time.
There are plenty behind him.

So what is the problem here?

[thunderbolt]

NO

i think they need to take another page out of the f1 book
panitily for impeding another driver during qualifying

[Pro Racer]

it seems CAMS have blamed Webb for the incident:

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/champi...7/default.aspx


Matters arising from Qualifying for Race 2:

Car #22 James Courtney and Car #19 Jonathon Webb were excluded by the Stewards from further participation in the session for causing a Red Flag during the session.

Permission was given by the Stewards for Car #22 James Courtney, Car #51 Greg Murphy and Car #19 Jonathon Webb to start Race 2 as they had not qualified within the Rules.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Chappelli

Jamie Whincup knows a thing or two about qualifying... he seems to do alright without a "race pace" start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzcM-...h_response_rev
The turn onto the front straight is actually pretty tight.

Jamie was the first car out, he doesnt have a car in front of him that he needs to gap, but notice the car behind Jamie (Craig)

The problem for Murph was that he was the first car out (due to the red flag for courtneys car) and got caught out

he got caught out

[F J Nedos]

Originally Posted by Pro Racer

it seems CAMS have blamed Webb for the incident:

I dare say that the rules stipulate that if it was your car which was disabled resulting a red flag, then you become excluded from qualifying.

That statement didn't specifically say it was Webb's fault. But it was his car which when disabled, caused the red flag. Same with Courtney.

However the 4 cars were allowed to restart as per that quote.

[Pro Racer]

Originally Posted by F J Nedos

I dare say that the rules stipulate that if it was your car which was disabled resulting a red flag, then you become excluded from qualifying.

That statement didn't specifically say it was Webb's fault. But it was his car which when disabled, caused the red flag. Same with Courtney.

However the 4 cars were allowed to restart as per that quote.

but Murphy's car was also disabled but they say he didn't cause that red flag Webb did.

[Razor]

Well to answer the question is "Murphy past his use by date?", I don't think so. Murphy might be past his prime stage of racing (mid 90's to mid 00's) but I still think he's got a lot to give to the V8 Supercar community. If we look back in history, drivers in their 40's, 50's and even 60's were still competing and still being rather competive (look at Jim Richards for example in '05, he scored a top 10 qualifying position at Bathurst while being in his early 60's)

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by Razor

Well to answer the question is "Murphy past his use by date?", I don't think so. Murphy might be past his prime stage of racing (mid 90's to mid 00's) but I still think he's got a lot to give to the V8 Supercar community. If we look back in history, drivers in their 40's, 50's and even 60's were still competing and still being rather competive (look at Jim Richards for example in '05, he scored a top 10 qualifying position at Bathurst while being in his early 60's)

In terms of knowledge and experience as well as fitness, Murphy should be at his peak.

I grew up around sports and aviation medicine as well as medical research and as far as I can see from my knowledge base, when it comes to driving, assuming a driver keeps himself fit and no other medical issues come into play, a driver can stay competitive up to the late 40's, early 50's. And we've seen plenty drivers win championships in their 40's.

I think what can happen is either drivers need a change of scene or they don't develop and grow or change with the times. The cars are different now than what he started in 15 years ago and the championship is extremely competitive as well.

[formerf1champ]

I'm surprised this question has to be asked, tbh. Murph, for a "big" "name" and "reputation", has been ordinary for almost all of his career. You can credit him for getting wound up on specific days and producing an inspired performance but, outside Bathurst and Pukekohe, his record is mediocre, all things considered.

Despite ending up second in the series a couple of times (a long, long time ago), he's never seriously challenged for the title, not even once, which is a poor effort. He's driven a long time with good cars for almost all that time as well, the guy's overrated (assuming people think he's good/great).

To answer the question, yes (a long, long time ago).

[St00ge]

Couldn't find anywhere else to put this but was reading a interview with Marcos

http://www.sbnation.com/nascar/2012/...interview-2012

SBN: I've been asking drivers to give me a question for the next guy. Last week, Joey Logano wanted to know, "Is there anything you've done on the track you regret?"

MA: I think I spun him out there in the Shootout, so he's probably referring to that.

SBN: No, no! This was just in general. He didn't know the interview subject was going to be you.

MA: Oh, right, right. Anything I regret? Yeah. There was a guy in Australia – Bathurst, 2005 – and he took me out of the race (here's the video of the incident). We had a bit of a shouting match, and I just regret I didn't punch him.

bwhahah

[Go Harder.]

Wish he did, that would have been HILARIOUS!

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by St00ge

Couldn't find anywhere else to put this but was reading a interview with Marcos

http://www.sbnation.com/nascar/2012/...interview-2012



bwhahah

Maintain the Rage

[Reload]

Originally Posted by St00ge

Couldn't find anywhere else to put this but was reading a interview with Marcos http://www.sbnation.com/nascar/2012/...interview-2012 bwhahah

I think Ambrose would have ended up on his arse ?

[DX20VT]

Originally Posted by Go Harder.

Wish he did, that would have been HILARIOUS!

Lol, almost as funny as the ambrose/murphy part of this interview,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VxEj...eature=related

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by Senna05

One word - Yes.

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Pos Car Competitor/Team Driver Vehicle Cap CL Laps Fastest...Lap Gap

1 1 TeamVodafone Jamie Whincup Holden Commodore VE2 5000 5 5 1:55.0805R
2 5 Orrcon Steel FPR Ford Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon FG 5000 6 4 1:55.5648r 0:00.4843
3 9 SP Tools Racing Shane Van Gisbergen Ford Falcon FG 5000 6 6 1:55.6802r 0:00.5997
4 6 Trading Post FPR Ford Will Davison Ford Falcon FG 5000 8 8 1:55.7447r 0:00.6642
5 888 TeamVodafone Craig Lowndes Holden Commodore VE2 5000 7 5 1:55.9304r 0:00.8499
6 2 Holden Racing Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VE2 5000 7 2 1:56.2841 0:01.2036
7 3 Tony D'Alberto Racing Tony D'Alberto Ford Falcon FG 5000 9 6 1:56.3597 0:01.2792
8 55 The Bottle-O Racing Team David Reynolds Ford Falcon FG 5000 7 5 1:56.3928 0:01.3123
9 34 Fujitsu Racing GRM Michael Caruso Holden Commodore VE2 5000 8 6 1:56.4374 0:01.3569
10 15 Jack Daniel's Racing Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VE2 5000 9 6 1:56.5473 0:01.4668
11 47 Lucky 7 Racing Tim Slade Ford Falcon FG 5000 9 7 1:56.6163 0:01.5358
12 7 Jack Daniel's Racing Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VE2 5000 8 5 1:56.7128 0:01.6323
13 4 Irwin Racing Lee Holdsworth Ford Falcon FG 5000 9 6 1:56.7776 0:01.6971
14 33 Fujitsu Racing GRM Alexandre Premat Holden Commodore VE2 5000 8 5 1:56.8335 0:01.7530
15 51 Pepsi Max Crew Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VE2 5000 8 5 1:56.8517 0:01.7712
16 14 Lockwood Racing Fabian Coulthard Holden Commodore VE2 5000 10 7 1:56.8732 0:01.7927
17 22 Holden Racing Team James Courtney Holden Commodore VE2 5000 8 6 1:56.8746 0:01.7941
18 66 Supercheap Auto Racing Russell Ingall Holden Commodore VE2 5000 7 5 1:56.9799 0:01.8994
19 17 Jim Beam Racing Steven Johnson Ford Falcon FG 5000 9 9 1:57.1641 0:02.0836
20 49 V.I.P. Petfoods Steve Owen Ford Falcon FG 5000 10 6 1:57.1884 0:02.1079
21 91 Tekno Autosports Michael Patrizi Holden Commodore VE2 5000 7 7 1:57.2053 0:02.1248
22 30 Team iSelect Taz Douglas Holden Commodore VE2 5000 8 2 1:57.2456 0:02.1651
23 11 Fair Dinkum Sheds Racing Karl Reindler Holden Commodore VE2 5000 8 5 1:57.2615 0:02.1810
24 8 Team BOC Jason Bright Holden Commodore VE2 5000 9 7 1:57.3541 0:02.2736
25 12 Jim Beam Racing Dean Fiore Ford Falcon FG 5000 8 3 1:57.4308 0:02.3503
26 18 Team Norton DJR James Moffat Ford Falcon FG 5000 10 5 1:57.4325 0:02.3520
27 19 Tekno Autosports Jonathon Webb Holden Commodore VE2 5000 10 9 1:57.6749 0:02.5944
28 21 Wilson Security Racing David Wall Holden Commodore VE2 5000 6 6 1:58.2898 0:03.2093

Yep no doubt about it, "Murphs over the hill" along with Fabian Coulthard and James Courtney, Jason Bright etc. hate to see were he might have finished up in Qualifying if he had a nice straight car under him.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by DX20VT

Lol, almost as funny as the ambrose/murphy part of this interview,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VxEj...eature=related

loved the quote at about 5 mins. I wonder if there still good friends

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by St00ge

Couldn't find anywhere else to put this but was reading a interview with Marcos

http://www.sbnation.com/nascar/2012/...interview-2012



bwhahah

Sure dont miss him, thats for sure.

My fav quote of his
'MA - Tell him to move, we have a championship to win
Team radio - race is for position marcos'

Re the comment from murph 'we aren't just going to pull over and let you win the thing' haha

Biggest tool this series has ever had the displeasure of working with (and yes, i'm aware of Paul Morris )