Are Shumachers cutting tactics legal or not..

mariov · 18 Mar 2002, 01:45 (Ref:237999)

Are Schumachers cutting tactings at the biginning of almost every race legal, should he be punished the next time he attemps them.

What do you think

The Beer Baron · 18 Mar 2002, 05:49 (Ref:238109)

I think moving to one side is legal, but is so dangerous it should be banned!

Another pole asking if it should be banned would be nice

Red · 18 Mar 2002, 06:29 (Ref:238116)

Not exactly sure what to answer. The question is: "Are schumachers chopping move at the beginning of every race legal". The answers are "Yes - The Fia should punish him, and penalize him for his actions" and No - The move is legal as per the FIA rules. :confused:.

Champ69 · 18 Mar 2002, 11:21 (Ref:238257)

It is legal, You can make one change of line. If the FIA want to stop it happening change the rules, if you disagree with the rule than write a letter to the FIA.

calais · 18 Mar 2002, 11:31 (Ref:238266)

Quote:

Originally posted by Champ69
It is legal, You can make one change of line. If the FIA want to stop it happening change the rules, if you disagree with the rule than write a letter to the FIA.

a lot of you people need glasses..
what he does is move off his starting position and swerves towards the car starting second..
MOVE NO.1
he then moves back to take his racing line....
MOVE NO.2

if i'm not wrong, that is TWO changes of line

Glen · 18 Mar 2002, 11:44 (Ref:238274)

Calais - that precise point (of a move, plus a return to the racing line) has been covered before, and is agreed by the drivers as part of what is acceptable. A move to defend, then a return to where you were. All the drivers go with that, so why shouldn't the armchair racers?

Glen · 18 Mar 2002, 11:45 (Ref:238276)

Ooops - I just voted the wrong way! Doesn't matter anyway, bit of a non-topic if you ask me.

yorkie · 18 Mar 2002, 11:46 (Ref:238277)

If you go by the letter of the law the move is legal but in most cases it is dangerous. MS is not the only driver guilty of this so the perhaps poll should be reworded.

I think that the law sould be clarified and punishment should be handed out accordingly.

EERO · 18 Mar 2002, 11:57 (Ref:238284)

Itb isn't a legal move, this has been covered ad infinitum. The FIA isn't enforcing its own rules.

twig · 18 Mar 2002, 12:21 (Ref:238297)

but remember, Ferrari is basically run and runs the FIA anyway!

Dr. Austin · 19 Mar 2002, 03:39 (Ref:238941)

http://www.fia.com/homepage/selection-a.html

Here is the link to the FIA rules. Now that everyone has a copy, there can be little doubt that all this stupid swerving is illegal. And here is why;

"However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers"

If blocking, chopping and swerving isn't meant to hinder other drivers, someone please explain just exactly what it is for.

"such as premature changes of direction,"

changing sides of the road in the middle of the straight well before the corner would seem to be premature, especially if it is to the wrong side of the road to set up for the corner. Especially if it is a reaction to another car attempting to overtake.

"more than one change of direction, "

Moving from one side of the road to protect the inside line would have to be considered one change of direction. then to move back to get on the proper entry would be two changes of direction.

"deliberate crowding of cars towards the inside or the outside of the curve"

Fairly self explainatory, but remember that the critical word in this sentance is 'deliberate.

"or any other abnormal change of direction,"

A full race track width swerve at an approaching car would have to be considered abnormal. A startline swerve would have to be considered abnormal, especially as with traction and launch control, the excuse of torque steer is gone.

"are strictly prohibited and shall be penalised,"

so there!

"any obstructive manoeuvre carried out by one or several drivers, either having common interests or not, is prohibited."

I believe that would encompass chopping, blocking and swerving.

"the penalty inflicted for ignoring the blue flag will also be applied to the drivers who obstruct part of the track and shall be more severe in the case of systematic obstruction, thus ranging from a fine to the exclusion from the race. The same penalty shall be applied to drivers who swing from one side of the track to the other in order to prevent other competitors from overtaking.".

Swinging, swerving, what the hell is the difference? It's all illegal.

Danielsun · 19 Mar 2002, 03:52 (Ref:238951)

Chopping tactics have long been used in racing, but I don't recall any driver steering quite so viciously into the path of another car as M Schumacher does.

Remember what DC did when faced with the same situation; if Montoya gets the chance he may be a little more forceful than Coulthard was in his quest for 'revenge.'

We'll wait and see...

Don K · 19 Mar 2002, 05:40 (Ref:239011)

Quote:

Originally posted by Glen
Ooops - I just voted the wrong way! Doesn't matter anyway, bit of a non-topic if you ask me.

You're probably not the only one.

The question of this pole was:
"Are schumachers chopping move at the beginning of every race legal"

And the possible answers:

"Yes", meaning they are not legal (which is a no to the question)
"No", meaning they are legal (which is a yes to the question)

--

In fact this is the reason I didn't vote on this pole.

calais · 19 Mar 2002, 10:26 (Ref:239127)

Quote:

Originally posted by Glen
Ooops - I just voted the wrong way! Doesn't matter anyway, bit of a non-topic if you ask me.

is it still going to be a non topic when he causes a serious accident with his kamikaze chop????:confused: :confused:

drexel · 19 Mar 2002, 13:24 (Ref:239272)

If we are expected to be so pre-emptive...we wouldn't have F1 at all. It is supposed to be dangerous and entertaining...that's what they get paid for.

**Spudgun** · 19 Mar 2002, 13:49 (Ref:239290)

Quote:

If we are expected to be so pre-emptive...we wouldn't have F1 at all. It is supposed to be dangerous and entertaining...that's what they get paid for.

Yes, F1 is supposed to be entertaining. We all know it is dangerous, but the criteria for F1 shouldn't be it HAS to be dangerous!

It maybe easy for fans like us to say things like that, but if you were the driver, you wouldn't want to increase the risk to your life just for the sake of it would you? How many people enjoy seeing drivers injured or even killed just for the entertainment?

pink hood · 19 Mar 2002, 14:07 (Ref:239306)

well none of us are a chairman for the FIA so what does it matter montoya and shumachers problem let them sort it out.
they didnt seem to have a problem with it anyway.

botsquad · 19 Mar 2002, 19:18 (Ref:239537)

as we all know....

1 anything tgf does is ok with the race officials
defacto....legal.

2 anything anyone else does is scrutinized
in terms of....
how did their actions...affect tgf...

a. harm...illegal
b. no-harm....no foul

View Poll Results: Are schumachers chopping move at the beginning of every race legal
Yes - The Fia should punish him, and penalize him for his actions	13	50.00%
No - The move is legal as per the FIA rules	12	46.15%
Uncertain	1	3.85%
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

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