The Lion King is dead (Skaife), long live the new Lion King (Tander).

stmorri · 23 Jul 2006, 11:10 (Ref:1662663)

Tander is sure showing Skaifey how it's done. They're both using the same equipment and the pressure looks to be a bit too much for the old fella. I guess he'll still be good for the enduros.

Rombles1 · 23 Jul 2006, 11:15 (Ref:1662670)

Funny, he's still doing better than most of the others out there. Is the difference that you don't expect them to be good for the enduros?

RotorFan · 23 Jul 2006, 12:45 (Ref:1662709)

What did Skaife do wrong? Name one thing that was under his control as a human that caused his bad result.

Maybe deep down everyone is a fan of Skaife - they all seem to expect perfection out of the man.

Kerri · 23 Jul 2006, 12:50 (Ref:1662710)

I think you are wrong ST, Skaife is just having a bad year as does every team from one time too another

alfacors · 23 Jul 2006, 13:58 (Ref:1662737)

I'd love to see GT take the title this year. But I don't think Skaife is a spent force by any means.

Notso Swift · 23 Jul 2006, 23:27 (Ref:1663014)

Ditto, alfacors, ditto

stmorri · 24 Jul 2006, 02:32 (Ref:1663074)

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Originally Posted by Kerri

I think you are wrong ST, Skaife is just having a bad year as does every team from one time too another

Kerri, Skaifey's "bad year" is now in it's fourth season. It's just that now he can't blame Ambrose for his problems!

billy bigtime · 24 Jul 2006, 02:47 (Ref:1663078)

The Fat lady has sung. Skaifes year is over again. 4 unlucky seasons in a row

6.213km · 24 Jul 2006, 07:55 (Ref:1663160)

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Originally Posted by stmorri

Kerri, Skaifey's "bad year" is now in it's fourth season. It's just that now he can't blame Ambrose for his problems!

Over the last three years Skaife has finished 5th, 12th & 3rd in the Championship & has won Bathurst. Going on these stats im sure 95% of the field would be hard pressed to be able to boast that on their cv's.

As for Blaming Ambrose, there were times when Ambrose's push past tactics left Car 2 in the sand on more then one occassion. (I can hear the screams from Ford fans right now, how dare I tarnish the name of the great one M.Ambrose). May I just say, that I have the utter most respect for Marcos' driving skill, his results set the bar for the rest of the field over the past few years, but he was as much to blame as Skaife for a HANDFUL of Skaife's off track excursions, and I don't care if your names Mark Skaife or David Thexton, if someone drives you off the road, you're not going to let it go without making it clear you're not happy about it.

If you actually listen to Mark, he will tell you his driving over the past few seasons has been below par, and that he's made the wrong decisions at times. He's man enough to admit it, and is taking a different approach now. Whether HRT will ever return to their once dominant force remains to be seen, but you'd be a blind fool to believe that "The fat lady has sung."
There are good things to come, no doubt about it.

peckstar · 24 Jul 2006, 08:30 (Ref:1663182)

i think you can name only two or three where ambrose has been involved. you can name a lot more where he has done it himself, so it seems a bit unfair to bring ambrose into it in that way

6.213km · 24 Jul 2006, 08:46 (Ref:1663191)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

i think you can name only two or three where ambrose has been involved. you can name a lot more where he has done it himself, so it seems a bit unfair to bring ambrose into it in that way

Maybe you should read my post again peckstar.

It was in response to a generalised comment -

"It's just that now he can't blame Ambrose for his problems!" Now if you ask me, making a throw away line like that with absolutely no substance is unfair peckstar.

I didnt bring up Ambrose, someone else did, so respond to them about it.

I quantified my arguement stating Ambrose was partly responsible for a HANDFUL of incidents. Skaife is responsible for many of his stuff ups yes, as i said, he's admitted that.

stmorri · 24 Jul 2006, 09:31 (Ref:1663223)

Skaife and Tander, the same machinery, the same opportunity......and Tander is blowin' 'im into the weeds!

alfacors · 24 Jul 2006, 09:41 (Ref:1663232)

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Originally Posted by 6.213km

Over the last three years Skaife has finished 5th, 12th & 3rd in the Championship & has won Bathurst. Going on these stats im sure 95% of the field would be hard pressed to be able to boast that on their cv's.

Spot on mate.....

hrt_rulz01 · 24 Jul 2006, 09:54 (Ref:1663244)

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Originally Posted by stmorri

Skaife and Tander, the same machinery, the same opportunity......and Tander is blowin' 'im into the weeds!

thats why skaifey has won the most races this year, has 2 poles, and is only that far back because of this run of bad luck hes been having. i think his season will only improve. especially at bathurst

peckstar · 24 Jul 2006, 09:58 (Ref:1663245)

im not sure the continual car problems can be considered bad luck. Bad managment more likely.

both hRT cars have had continual car problems this year. i doubt there is more than 3 races wheer one or the other hRT car has not had a problem. certainly in2 of 3 races on the weekend theer were car problems

6.213km · 24 Jul 2006, 10:17 (Ref:1663255)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

im not sure the continual car problems can be considered bad luck. Bad managment more likely.

both hRT cars have had continual car problems this year. i doubt there is more than 3 races wheer one or the other hRT car has not had a problem. certainly in2 of 3 races on the weekend theer were car problems

Agreed. Their reliability is a concern.

Rombles1 · 24 Jul 2006, 12:35 (Ref:1663348)

So just how different are the HRT and HSVDT teams, management and cars? Is it only the testing they are sharing, or is there more to it than that? Maybe they just need to find the black cat that is sleeping in the HRT side of the shed... get rid of that and the bad luck might go away.... It certainly doesn't seem to have tainted HSVDT at all.

There are a couple of lines being pushed here.... one that Skaife has lost his edge.... the other that HRT themselves are the problem. If Skaife has lost it there shouldn't be any questions about the cars....but Todd is struggling too - has he lost his edge as well? (not that is was as sharp an edge as Skaifes). If it is HRT that are the problem, then how can you write off Skaife - he hasn't had reliable enough equipment to show that he could still be the Lion King. That would be like saying that Lowndes should have packed it in when he was at 00.

DAVID PATERSON · 26 Jul 2006, 02:51 (Ref:1664629)

Mark Skaife celbrates his 39th birthday this year. He is hardly old, only a child would suggest so.

GT is having a good year, no doubt about it, but to write Skaife off is to deny/ignore the good results he keeps getting.

stmorri · 26 Jul 2006, 11:19 (Ref:1664909)

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

Mark Skaife celbrates his 39th birthday this year. He is hardly old, only a child would suggest so.

GT is having a good year, no doubt about it, but to write Skaife off is to deny/ignore the good results he keeps getting.

David, his results are becoming more spasmodic.

DAVID PATERSON · 2 Aug 2006, 03:12 (Ref:1670532)

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Originally Posted by stmorri

David, his results are becoming more spasmodic.

This is a problem for him under the current pointscore, but if it is changed to a system like what most here advocating, then his championship performance will improve.

billy bigtime · 2 Aug 2006, 03:40 (Ref:1670540)

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

This is a problem for him under the current pointscore, but if it is changed to a system like what most here advocating, then his championship performance will improve.

WRONG. Without the drop your worst round Skaife is struggling in 10th, and seems to be going down faster than a lap dancer on a Mobil sponsored pole.

Boxy · 2 Aug 2006, 03:53 (Ref:1670542)

I think David is referring to the current dodgy points system billy.
On a fair points system, Mr Skaife would be right up there with all his wins...

DAVID PATERSON · 2 Aug 2006, 03:55 (Ref:1670544)

Correct!

Rombles1 · 2 Aug 2006, 11:14 (Ref:1670806)

Maybe billy should apply the system he proposed on the other thread to this years results so far, and let us know where Skaifey is in that?

falcon58 · 3 Aug 2006, 23:21 (Ref:1672679)

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

Mark Skaife celbrates his 39th birthday this year. He is hardly old, only a child would suggest so

It's funny that alot of people have been saying that at 40 both Ingall & Seton are to old to be in the game, isn't it strange how 1 year can make all the difference

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